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General => Off Topic => Topic started by: Superslayer on January 20, 2010, 09:41:35 PM

Title: Burning
Post by: Superslayer on January 20, 2010, 09:41:35 PM
No, not that kind of burning...hehe :o

I just bought a new internal DVD burner (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135077) because my old one crapped out on me. It was an ASUS external DVD burner with DL burning capabilities.  I now have an LG burner with DL burning capabilities(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16827136144). I have not really had great success with Nero, so I've switched over to Ashampoo 9 version 9.20.  I prefer to burn with Verbatim, Sony is 2nd in my list, followed by ...NO ONE!  I really hate using anything besides these two, I rarely ever have any success burning with anything else.  TDK, Magnavox, Dynex, HP, and Memorex aren't in my list to ever use.  

I've had Lite-On drives that had worked well for their life, an external IOMEGA that was sheer crap (literaly threw it across the room  :D ) and a few Sony's that did ok for their purposes.

So I ask, what does everyone else have/use to burn with?
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: jtw1984 on January 20, 2010, 10:07:18 PM
Eh, I dont burn dvds anymore, and I switched to an ipod so no need for cds anymore.

I did use Nero, but now if I have to burn anything I just use windows built in data/audio burner. :D
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Superslayer on January 20, 2010, 10:14:37 PM
I used the build in windows one until I could afford something a bit more versatile.  Almost all my burns are for backup's of other peoples movies, and a few of my own. I also keep DVD backup's of my programs that I've acquired over the years.
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Coragin on January 20, 2010, 11:28:18 PM
DVD Fab is the best I found to copy dvd's and rip dvd's blu rays and such to your hard disk.  If you want to get a blu ray to fit on a dvd+r you will need to re-encode it tho.  Which takes time, a lot of time.

But if your just looking to copy dvd's and or convert to ps3 format or what not, dvd fab platinum is what I use and I love it.  And its a one time fee unlike anydvd which is a subscription.
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Superslayer on January 21, 2010, 06:13:37 AM
I actually have dvdfab platinum, and forgot I even had it till I just read your post!  What do you do/go about, when you're making a dvd movie backup, and the source is an 8+ gig disk? I use DVDShrink, it's free and fast. From there I split the disks onto 2 4+ gig disks, but in the process, I end up having no menu like I had with the source disk. Since I have a DL burner, I suppose I can just do the copy outright. Ever do a DL burn? I haven't. What kinds of compatibility issues are there in home dvd players
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Paulonius on January 21, 2010, 07:19:59 AM
I put a Pioneer-205 Blu Ray Burner into my new system, but I have not tried to burn anything yet.  I will have to read up on what you are using and give it a go...
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: TrailMyx on January 21, 2010, 07:44:02 AM
I'm assuming you guys are just cataloging your DVD collection on your home server... ;)
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Paulonius on January 21, 2010, 08:06:24 AM
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Superslayer on January 21, 2010, 08:29:29 AM
 :o Of course :)
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: TrailMyx on January 21, 2010, 08:30:48 AM
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Cerveza on January 21, 2010, 08:38:17 AM
When did we retain a lawyer?

Man, I need to attend the budget meetings more often....
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Superslayer on January 21, 2010, 08:42:08 AM
I'm mostly inquiring about the troubles most often had when backing up disks.  For some reason, I can't backup anything on DVD-R's. I've read it could be anything from the disk brand, to the burners capabilities. I haven't seen anything that implies movie backups cannot be put on DVD-R's, so I've been using DVD+RW's all the while, and the DL stuff throws me for an even bigger loop!
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Endless Night on January 21, 2010, 08:55:18 AM
I barley use dvds cds any more.. except for the occasional prehistoric data send.

For Backing up movies and more convienient carrying.  I got the kids a little movie box hard drive enclosure. Slapped a 100 gig drive in thier and bascially any movies they aquire that they like to watch,(over and over and over)  i convert and put on that... the origainals get dumped in a box in the attic for preservation.  When it gets full something gets deleted. And when the box is over overflowing it gets cleaned out.

But like anything kids get you never really own it you just rent it for a while (months years).  On our almost regualar monthly drop off at my local salvation army/goodwill i let the kids raid the extensive movie sections.

As for backing up serious data /other that you really want to keep .. i recommend making 2-3 copies... and storing in a cool dark place etc etc etc bla bla bla.

But for straight movie watching save the time get a movie box and transfer right onto that... you can then pick one of your favorites via remote control from you chair and never have to deal with your favorite disk getting a scatch or skipping or or or or...
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Superslayer on January 21, 2010, 09:03:13 AM
That's nearly exactly what I'm doing currently, I have a Seagate 250 gig 3/4 full of shows. My home server will be the likely new home for it, so that any computer in the house can access it. With FIOS, I believe I can even share the flicks on the TV's in my home.

Unfortunately, I only have 1 backup atm for most if not all my stuffs.
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Endless Night on January 21, 2010, 09:22:42 AM
yea sharing on tv is what i meant...  i belive in the states they call them 'HDD media players'
Only downside to the one i have is its doesnt have a nic built in, but i have an old model.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hdd+media+player&aq=0&aql=&aqi=g10&oq=hdd+me

Although im thinking a modded xbox can probably do the same thing.. i will let you know after i get finished err started modding mine.
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: UOMaddog on January 21, 2010, 10:04:24 AM
As per Paulonius, I will not discuss my 4.25TB of 0's and 1's.

For those of you interested. My best suggestion for backups, storage, etc is FreeNAS running on a beat up old computer (in my case, a Dell Dimension 4300 from yesteryear). FreeNAS is easy to set-up and use, plus it has a built in iTunes server (when on your home network, it will show up in the Shared music section). FreeNAS is based on FreeBSD Unix and is fast and easy! You can use it for file hosting, web site hosting (which is what my personal site is on for those of you that have seen it), FTP, SSH, DynamicDNS, and even a built in BitTorrent client (any torrent file you drop in a specific folder will automatically start downloading). I used to plug my external hard drives directly into my desktop, now I just have them connected to my FreeNAS server and mounted in the file system, that way I can access them from anywhere I am!

Bye bye DVD's!


P.S. The only burning I do is to make DVDs of movies that I have downloaded (which will not be discussed) so that I can play them on a regular DVD player! In this case, I use Ulead DVD MovieFactory, of which I cannot tell you how much it costs because, well, I don't know because I love torrents too much!
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Paulonius on January 21, 2010, 10:58:07 AM
US Copyright law doesn't currently have an explicit exception for personal use, but the consensus is that you can make copies for your own use. The DMCA implies that personal use is acceptable in that it says ten copies is commercial and illegal, but doesn't expressly address less than ten copies. Canada and Australia have already made personal use copies explicitly legal.  I anticipate US case law supporting that position at some point.  As long as folks are not sharing copyrighted files here without authorization, there is nothing illegal about what people are discussing doing in this thread to this point. 

There is also very likely nothing wrong with discussing where and how you acquire movies, but that is moving toward facilitating potentially illegal activity.  If folks want to talk about acquiring copyrighted material in any more detail, that is something that should probably be discussed in a non-public forum.
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Endless Night on January 21, 2010, 11:47:22 AM
Thier isnt a single non-elite poster in this thread perhaps the whole thing can be moved to elite.

I doubt the us will ever modify the law to specifically allow you to make personal use copies but it is common law that you can (although im not sure how much weight common law has in the UsA).

Personally i think the whole copyright system needs a good shake up and vastly shorted... its meant to be an invention encourager but its turned into a stifflying system.  Max time of copyright should be the life of the inventor/creator or if a corporation I would say HALF the average lifespan on a person ie 35years. (if they carnt make something new in that time then they shouldnt be in bizness anyway)

Thats one thing i like about google books the ability to search on pre-copyright material.
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: UOMaddog on January 21, 2010, 12:09:04 PM
I am also a firm believer that the copyright system is in need of a major overhaul which we will almost definitely see in the next 10 years simply due to the digital era. Right now it is just patched together to make it work with digital media.

Intellectual Copyrights (Music, books, art, etc):

I believe intellectual copyright should end no more than 10 (preferably 5) years after an artists death (that is sufficient time for the family of the artist to find an alternative income) instead of the current 70 years (if I remember correctly).

Copyrights should not be allowed to be "sold" or traded, meaning the artist retains the copyright, it should never be the property of a publisher or recording studio or anything like that.

The only way to get rid of a copyright (other than death) would be for the artist to give up their copyright and release it to the public domain.




Physical Copyrights (patents, drug formulas, etc):

Patents should be exclusive for 1 year. It cannot be shared with anyone else for this year. ONLY the creator can profit from it. UNLESS they release it for public use (i.e. give up the copyright)

Then, for the next 3-5 years(not sure how long I feel would be comfortable), fees could be paid to use it.

After 5 years, general public use with no compensation necessary.


That's just my brainstorming. The digital arena is a totally different ballgame. I don't have time right now to list all my thoughts on it!
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: onlyindreams on January 21, 2010, 12:31:09 PM
If I remember correctly, downloading torrents is legal. It's uploading that is illegal. I don't remember where exactly I found that at but I did research it a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Endless Night on January 21, 2010, 12:52:59 PM
If I remember correctly, downloading torrents is legal. It's uploading that is illegal. I don't remember where exactly I found that at but I did research it a couple years ago.

torrents upload and download at same time.
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: Superslayer on January 21, 2010, 01:06:47 PM
I will elaborate a bit and say that the movies I'm copying are family home movies.  The DL discussion is purely talk and my lack of knowledge.

I do agree with most here about the silliness of some of the current laws, and they do need some industry standard.  As said, it's not going to happen too soon, but it is needed to protect other peoples property.
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: UOMaddog on January 21, 2010, 01:22:51 PM
I'd like to start a new thread in Off Topic just to discuss Copyright. That way I can stop hijacking this thread!

Look for it in Off Topic
Title: Re: Burning
Post by: onlyindreams on January 21, 2010, 01:50:16 PM
If I remember correctly, downloading torrents is legal. It's uploading that is illegal. I don't remember where exactly I found that at but I did research it a couple years ago.

torrents upload and download at same time.

You are correct. However it's only the uploading part that is illegal (as of when I checked couple years ago).... When I was using bitcommet (I think) you could set it to not upload anything. I believe utorrent makes you do atleast 1kb/s.