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Ultima Online Fan Board => Player Templates => Topic started by: BadManiac on July 18, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
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For shits and giggles I want to make a budget Sampire. Something a new player could make within a human lifetime.
So I'd like some suggestions for the template. Stats, skills and gear.
Our goal is to solo Miasma.
Skills are max 110, since 110's are easily affordable by anyone.
Gear will be crafted and/or martys only, so no vet rewards, Rune Beetle Carpace or other major artys.
Go nuts! :)
RESULTS (so far):
Suit:
Heart of the lion
Fey legs
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Great idea. Keep "BUDGET" in mind. Not all of us lil'folk have "money fights" with bags of 1 zillion gold a toss.
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I have always wanted to do this. Great Idea BM. This is a wonderful idea for those just learning to do somethings against champs and that want to learn or someone starting new on a shard. Great Idea and man what a great thought.
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All 70's suit, soul seeker, any tali, and my Sammy/Whammy script. Done.
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Can I use an advanced char token? 8)
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Hmmm, great idea. I'm all about the cheap builds. My favorite is the Necro/Mage. At 110's you are *very* capable.
The ONE thing I see that will suffer with the suit is not being able to use Mace & Shield Glasses. Having HLD on an item (with awesome resists) is a HUGE advantage for the Samp build.
Since you want cheap gear, you'll have to pick up your HLD on your weapon. The only way you can build up your DI is on your weapon and jewelry. That's a limitation....
*Oh and I'd suggest going Macing. You can make decent black staffs fairly cheap, and you can get a 120 Macing scroll for the same price as a 110 Swords. You lose out on Soulseeker though...
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Lot of words but lets start listing some build ideas even if it is only a part of the suit
How about
Marties
Heart of lion
Fey leggings
Anything else to add or take way?
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I'm thinking Swords for Soulseeker, plus swords has the largest variety of weapons really.
Going Elf so you can use heartwood enhanced woodland armor? Other ideas for cheap armor? Heart of the Lion. Elf wearable Fey Leggings are a marty, human Fey Legs are a major arty and cost much more.
Brightsight lenses? MR3, good fire resist to counter vampire form.
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Ok let's keep this rolling, something to do until EUO gets updated ;)
* What are required mods on a sampire suit? What's the stuff you can't survive without on your armor, weapon or any part of your gear?
* And what are the mods that are nice to have but not entirely critical?
Just trying to get ideas for putting together a cheap-ish suit.
Here are mine to start it off:
* 60+ All resists with 70 physical a must since most monsters hit phys.
* DCI, nice to have, but is it critical?
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For a sampire, it's all about hitting/damage/mana. So hit chance max, and lower defense are mandatory. As high as possible for both. Stamina and stamina increase. Then it's defense chance after that. Then hit points probly would be next. If you plan on doing a ton of specials, mana leech and mana increase. That would probly be my order of importance. And all 70's.
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for survivability, ESPECIALLY with low end powerscrolls, HLA and DCI are probably very critical.
One of the key factors early on in sampire evolution was durability over damage.
Would it be better to go whammy? Less need for phys, which may free up a couple armor attribute slots. Lower overall skill requirement. Call it 40 necro, rest into SS? focus on SS for jewels?
Low end must be elf to start.
Heart of lion, elf leggings, ancient sammy helm, quiver of infinity = 55 DCI dirt cheap on suit
armor with at least these stats
7 Mana increase (cheap w/o ingredient)
7 stam increase (cheap w/o ingredient)
woodland armor with HCI
Jewels with
DI
Fire
HCI
Necro / SS
Dex or int
Now our budget guy is at 15 HCI , +21 stam, +21 mana, 50 DCI.
Weapon is hard, but
50 HLD
50 HLA
40 DI
max mana & life leech
all cheap and easy to imbue near max.
In wraith form, with double mana leech, can depend on divine fury for stam refresh and 10% SSI / 10% DI / 10% HCI, PLUS our DCI offsets loss.
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Whammy
Plus - Easier to get armor, no need for super high fire resist. Mana usually never and issue.
Minus - Movement is SLOOOOOOW. Lose damage reduction from armored swampy. Not resistant to magic.
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wait a min.
how about gargoyle? since we are budget, they get that great DI and HCI boost. PLUS they get higher end cap on HCI.
but you lose out on some of the marties.
Fly to hunt spot, then transform.
Hopefully a budget whammy will realize they are designed to camp one spot, like thrasher or miasma, and not a general spawn subduer.
I personally would recommend thrasher in felluca. @ 80 leather per, you have a good resource flow as well as good cash and items and marties. As well, they will max honor and karma faster. Use honor to get to spawn spots, and for escape?
Also, I have noticed that Gargoyle armor gets MUCH higher average resists, so you will have all 3 pieces with 5 open slots, at LEAST.
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Hit lower attack is not more important than hit chance/lower d/defense.
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in retrospect, I would have to agree Twinkle McNugget. :-[
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Wammy is all good and well, but this is a thread about how to build a sampire on a budget ;)
Or more like how much budget do you actually need to make a working sampire.
Ancient Samurai Helm with bunny ears is a good call, had forgotten about that.
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What exactly is the budget, and are you using Miasma as your goal?
To make a Sampire you need to have 120 weapon skill, you can have 115 but need to build to 120 ASAP. To stay alive you need to hit, to hit you need skill, HLD and HCI.
The second half of Sampires is the ability to NOT get hit. DCI, HLA, Feint, Evasion and Parry.
The BARE minimum would be 45 DCI.
*Here's the problem with determining what the budget is. One thing you probably build around is Fey Leggings. Having the 20 DCI is awesome, but the resists aren't that great (50 resist). But more to the point, they sell for 50k on Great Lakes and 3M on Sonoma. Samurai Helm sells for anything between 50k and 1M on Pacific LOL...
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There isn't a set budget here, I'm just trying to figure out how low we can go :) few 100K for the suit should be doable. And as per my OP, Solo Miasma is the target. The reasoning behind it is, Sampire is the most useful PvM template currently in the game, but it's not cheap to get up and running. I wanted to see how cheap you can make a Sampire, with PS and suit, that would still be effective. I say Miasma is a good test, if you can solo Miasma you can enjoy the majority of the game without a problem. So for a new player to get up and running, what is the minimum requirements? Then once we have the template and gear figured out, I (and whoever else wants to give it a go) will build the char, test it and see :)
Here's the current state of the suit:
Ancient Samurai Helm
Heart of the Lion
Fey Leggings
Quiver of Infinity
50 DCI, Since 45 is cap I don't think Quiver is necessary, but is there anything else useful in that slot?
44/29/29/26/37
Feedback, suggestions?
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45 is indeed the usable cap, but most will opt for 70 if they can get it. That will offset the effects of HLD (-25) on you. Since Miasma doesn't have that attack, 45 should serve well.
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Very few mobs hit with HLD, so for a PvM Sampire 45 should be enough. I just don't know what to swap out.
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need over 45 DCI to account for divine fury, which our budget sampy will need. Cause they most likely wont have max stats for fastest swing, or SSI on weapon, or max HCI, or max DI. Due to that, they need to offset the -25 DCI penalty.
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But is DCI that utterly critical that you can forgo all other mods on your suit? The parts I listed above have NO other mods except DCI, that would be 2/3 of the suit exclusively for DCI if we want to get to 60...
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I would defer to others on that, but with the low overall skill by restricted power scrolls and stat, the budget will be hit a lot more. And hit less often.
Not sure which will be the better offset. HCI / HLD for hits /leech? Or DCI / HLA for lower damage taken over time?
Miasma has only 68 wrestle, so HCI / HLD would be best I think.
Thrasher has 106.5 max, so DCI might be best against him.
Of course, to add to the list
+15 or higher stat scroll
swampie
lesser hiryu
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Seriously... if all you're fighting is Miasma... 70's suit and 110-120 parry and 115-120 weapon skill... done deal. Pretty much any fast weapon, soul seeker being best if you're going budget. And a 25+ hit lower defense. This really shouldn't even be a discussion. Miasma is VERY easy on a Sammy. You don't need any arties. 70 suit only. Its not in the suit with Miasma. It's just about hitting it really and not being hit a ton. Sure you'll die here and there to a random really powerfull Miasma, but the gold rake in and items will pay for it easily.
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People die with a Sampire because they get in trouble.
Basically your saying "I can leech enough from hitting you to overcome the damage you can hit me for".
The less you get hit, the better off you are. You NEVER want to get into a slap fight with a mob, they will always win.
Ask anyone whose ever played one why they die. I bet 99% respond with "I ran off to cure/heal/uncurse/whatever". The minute you run off you are no longer regaining HP's. HP Leech is how this char stays alive.... oh I've said that, like 3 times...
Because this is a "budget" build I have to reconsider the fundamentals of the char. If anyone were to ask me "What is required to run a Sampire" I have a time tested answer. The problem is that Mace & Shield Glasses go for 6.5M - 11M which is outside the boundaries of budget.