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General => Off Topic => Topic started by: Cerveza on October 04, 2012, 05:54:18 AM
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We've become obsessed with image. Easy data access has changed the way we think and it's a shame to have to say it, but it's making us dumber.
There are a lot of Americans out there who have no idea about the issues. All they know is what the media feeds them, which they regurgitate amongst friends in a kind of doltish buffet.
Please don't post anything political here, just whether or not the following process would be a good one.
Put down a list of issues. Then put down choices for each issue. Voters select the choice they most agree with. When completely filled out the candidate who most closely meets the choices made is voted for.
Example:
1) Abortion
a - Free Choice
b - Right to Life
c - State Choice
You mark the stance that most closely represents your opinion and move on.
Perhaps the candidate voted for isn't even shown :O , instead of so much focus on the person, place the focus where it belongs - on the issues.
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I like it, but think that framing the issues without dropping in bias is really hard. Your example illustrates this point a bit. If I were to frame abortion as an issue based question I might have options that looked more like this:
A. Abortion Allowed 100% Woman's choice
B. No Abortions Allowed
C. No Abortions Allowed; exception for rape and incest
D. Abortion allowed 100% Woman's Choice in first trimester, thereafter disallowed (This is essentially Roe v. Wade)
E. Abortion allowed for people who are ugly or have low IQ
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At first read, my initial response was "Yes, without a doubt. What an awesome idea!".
But after thinking about this for a few, I think it could be a little dangerous. Considering that candidates have access to polling and the general feel that the masses have for specific issues. It would be extremely easy for someone to simply choose the most popular answers to the questions when they decided to run for office. In effect, we could have multiple candidates that met the exact criteria for most peoples ideals.
All the while, their hidden agendas would not come to full fruition until after they were put into office. I know everyone has hidden agendas in government, but I believe this concept might really backfire.
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Also there needs to be a scale of 1 to 10 on each item of importance. For example I might weigh a president elect that was against abortion higher as an ideal than one that was going to make sure traffic laws where followed, but yes the idea is genuine and doable but would have to have alot more specifics built in like paul was saying.
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There would have to be as many positions as there are differences amongst the candidates.
I just chose the simple three for abortion as an easy example. If there are 8 candidates there could be 8 different selections for each agenda item. And having a rating of 1 to 10 or something would also be a good idea.
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This is what I think about politics
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154582/debate-2004
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We are allowed to talk about Politics? I thought that was a no-no? Anytime you mention Poilitics, even just as an innocent observation, it will come back and "slap you in da face". It doesn't really matter who you vote for...it all ends up the same...
All I have to say is, "Quit trying to fix the World! Please fix the U.S.A. first...we have more problems here, but many just choose to ignore them. When we can house all the homeless and feed all whom are hungry, and then give a Job to those that want one -- Then, we can go fix the World...!"
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If we feed the homeless to the hungry, that might be a two birds with one stone kind of thing! JK, that was the first think that popped in my mind. *bad TrailMyx*
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I'm staying out of this one ...
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Pretty much any conversation about politics since in the last five years doesn't go well unless the people involved all start with the same opinions. I don't think it was always this bad. Relatively interesting article about the phenomenon on CNN yesterday that I can't seem to find right now. Essence of the article was that the more passionate and informed people were, the less it mattered to them when they were presented with facts that contradicted thier position. Some evidence showed that when confronted with such evidence they became more entrenched.
I view myself as a moderate and try to take a critical judgement to every side of an issue. I am sure I don't always succeed. While this remains for me the right way to participate in the process, in the current environment it generally means that any conversation about politics ends poorly.
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Yeh, Cerveza likes to see my surface aneurysm throb after he posts the political stuff. He's evil that way.... :)
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I even mentioned to keep the issues out of this post, just to discuss if the process would work.
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I even mentioned to keep the issues out of this post, just to discuss if the process would work.
My aneurysm thanks you. ;)
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The main problem with this is when a candidate "says" he has a specific ideology or opinion, but ends up having a totally different opinion or hidden agenda. This has never happened in recent history.... :p
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The main problem with this is when a candidate "says" he has a specific ideology or opinion, but ends up having a totally different opinion or hidden agenda. This has never happened in recent history.... :p
LOL you think.
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Really? They lie?!
But we have a way of ensuring they keep their promises, right? WTF - we don't!?! How stupid is that?
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Everyone is wrong but me.
RANCID/Twinkle McNugget 2012
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Really? They lie?!
But we have a way of ensuring they keep their promises, right? WTF - we don't!?! How stupid is that?
That's why I think we abandoned the waterboarding process too soon; that'll keep them looking over their back! ;)
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The main problem with this is when a candidate "says" he has a specific ideology or opinion, but ends up having a totally different opinion or hidden agenda. This has never happened in recent history.... :p
LOL you think.
One of our presidents would never do something like that ...
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LOL you think.
Da Comrade!
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I think that this system would work better than the present method of slander and debauchery,, but its irrelevant so long as the electoral college is in existence.
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For me, in WA state, I live in the wrong county to have my presidential vote matter anyways. It might sound like i have a defeatus attitude, I still vote, but unless you are voting in Skagit county, who's population out ranks all the other counties here in WA your ideas don't equal enough to make a differance. Especially because, the biggest city (Bellingham) in my county (Whatcom) majority outvotes my ideals on almost every election that matters! So, unless I am voting the way of Seattle (which I usually would never do) My vote = Diddly. and also look at all the people on the East side of our mountains, more spread out lower populations, Hey Guess what! there vote means almost less then mine. Example the way Seattle decided to pay for Safeco Field. Eastern WA farmers, that will never set foot in that stadium are paying for it, because the voters in and around Seattle voted for it......Sheesh.
Also, If we could give jobs to people who wanteed them, well they probably wouldn't take them. In my county (Whatcom) we are the number one producer of Raspberries on the entire planet. Guess who does most of the work? Not locals, they all feel entitled to 401k and bennefits, and paid vacation and paid holidays. hard to find anyone who is willing to "put there time in" or get there hands dirty. Most of the labor here is done by "out of towners" And they just send there money back home, as in a whole different country!
Cheers,
Xander
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Don't tell me about votes not mattering.... I'm living in Illinois :(
If it's a tie, gimme a call.
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Don't tell me about votes not mattering.... I'm living in Illinois :(
ahh yes Illinois - vote early , vote often!
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Well no one said we live in a democracy did they ??? ummm well they might have
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but its irrelevant so long as the electoral college is in existence.
These have been my words since I learned about them back in high school !!
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We DON'T live in a democracy, This here be a Constitutionla Republic!
http://www.thisnation.com/question/011.html
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Don't tell me about votes not mattering.... I'm living in Illinois :(
If it's a tie, gimme a call.
Just think how I feel here in the Peoples Republic of California. I run the risk of bursting into flames when I walk about. lol.
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