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Title: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: OMGBurgers on February 07, 2011, 03:48:11 PM
It has not happened in a few days, but sometimes the computer freezes up and then it kicks into a 600x800 16color mode.  I have no idea what to do. All the drivers are correct, and the latest.  I put the computer together, so maybe there's something weird that I did?  Just wondering if anyone seen this.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: Masscre on February 09, 2011, 07:44:48 AM
I have had around 3 computers in my shop in the last few years that would have these same issues. Not with UO, but other applications and games the like. It did not matter what app they where using it would do the same thing. All three times I norrowed it down to 2 areas before I fixed the problem. 1. Heat issues with the CPU not transfering the heat to the heat sink because of faulty spread of heat sink compound and loose connection of the heat sink(the where using the premade thermal paste sticky - very bad choice). 2. heat issues related to not cooling the video card enough and the card booting into a differnte part of the video chip because of self protect using less power on the lower setting and trying to cool itself down. It is a self protect mode the video card has built into it, not all chips have this. What video card and chip is in your system?
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: Masscre on February 09, 2011, 07:47:38 AM
Also thier systems started acting up in the winter time because of the heat being on in their houses, but ran fine during the summer months because of the AC being on. Just some more food for thought.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: gimlet on February 09, 2011, 08:08:40 AM
I also find (assuming your video drivers are up to date) that the sound drivers can mess things up if they are not up to date.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: _C2_ on February 09, 2011, 08:41:54 AM
Every now and then my windows 7 task bar bugs the heck out and i cannot open the easy uo , icq or UO clients through the bar anymore.  I end up having to shut it all down.  It is a real bummer.  I would love to know why that part bugs out for me.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: Masscre on February 09, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
Every now and then my windows 7 task bar bugs the heck out and i cannot open the easy uo , icq or UO clients through the bar anymore.  I end up having to shut it all down.  It is a real bummer.  I would love to know why that part bugs out for me.

This all has to do with a poorly written OS when it come to vista and win 7. End of story. Yes they can come out with fixes and patches but both of these were just poorly written from a designers stand point. they may have more to offer than some of the previous OS's but they does not make them good.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: 12TimesOver on February 09, 2011, 09:56:03 AM
I'm with Mass on the heat-related troubleshooting. In fact, that would be the first place I went if it was something you never had issues with before then "suddenly" the issue started. Make sure the fan's are all working appropriately and you blow all the dust out. I've had wacky issues like this many times. Heat does funny things to components.

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Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: Cerveza on February 09, 2011, 10:17:00 AM
I'm going a different route here.... Power Supply.

If you have an old one laying around try it out and see if you get the same results.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: OMGBurgers on February 09, 2011, 12:59:02 PM
hm, it hasen't happened since I posted this, and I've left the computer running without a restart since.  could that rule out the overheating problem?  the entire thing is brand new, but i suppose it's possible to get something faulty lol.  I've got a few spare powersupplies laying around, I could give one a shot, though they're rated as high as the current one which should be okay w/ my setup.  No video card btw. 
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: Masscre on February 09, 2011, 01:07:54 PM
hm, it hasen't happened since I posted this, and I've left the computer running without a restart since.  could that rule out the overheating problem?  the entire thing is brand new, but i suppose it's possible to get something faulty lol.  I've got a few spare powersupplies laying around, I could give one a shot, though they're rated as high as the current one which should be okay w/ my setup.  No video card btw. 

The power rating on the power supply is not everything. The stablity of the power output and voltage output it gives you is also a large measure. Some power supplies have up to a +/- 20% on the output voltage it can provide which is not good considering the system it is powering needs to really be within 1 or 2 % of the expected voltages.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: OMGBurgers on February 09, 2011, 01:32:21 PM
hm, it hasen't happened since I posted this, and I've left the computer running without a restart since.  could that rule out the overheating problem?  the entire thing is brand new, but i suppose it's possible to get something faulty lol.  I've got a few spare powersupplies laying around, I could give one a shot, though they're rated as high as the current one which should be okay w/ my setup.  No video card btw. 

The power rating on the power supply is not everything. The stablity of the power output and voltage output it gives you is also a large measure. Some power supplies have up to a +/- 20% on the output voltage it can provide which is not good considering the system it is powering needs to really be within 1 or 2 % of the expected voltages.

Ohh, I see what you're saying.  Every so often our laser at work will get an error from the high voltage power supply if it's unable to output the correct v.  I'll have to check what kind of voltage tolerances this power supply has.  Is there a way to check the current output volts from the power supply while the computer's running?  I thought I saw it somewhere in bios once for diagnostics.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: gimlet on February 09, 2011, 02:44:51 PM
another thought - take out and put back in your video board and check to make sure the pins on the cable are all straight.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: Masscre on February 09, 2011, 04:12:41 PM
hm, it hasen't happened since I posted this, and I've left the computer running without a restart since.  could that rule out the overheating problem?  the entire thing is brand new, but i suppose it's possible to get something faulty lol.  I've got a few spare powersupplies laying around, I could give one a shot, though they're rated as high as the current one which should be okay w/ my setup.  No video card btw. 

The power rating on the power supply is not everything. The stablity of the power output and voltage output it gives you is also a large measure. Some power supplies have up to a +/- 20% on the output voltage it can provide which is not good considering the system it is powering needs to really be within 1 or 2 % of the expected voltages.

Ohh, I see what you're saying.  Every so often our laser at work will get an error from the high voltage power supply if it's unable to output the correct v.  I'll have to check what kind of voltage tolerances this power supply has.  Is there a way to check the current output volts from the power supply while the computer's running?  I thought I saw it somewhere in bios once for diagnostics.

Yes there are several software packages you can get on the net that will monitor your voltages for you while running.

Here (http://majorgeeks.com/Motherboard_Monitor_d311.html) is a link to one of the above mentioned software packages but you can use others also. This one  supports a wide array of motherboards and you can see which ones in the readme. It is a very good package of software.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: OMGBurgers on February 09, 2011, 07:03:49 PM
it froze up earlier just browsing the internet.

the display froze on the screen and nothing ever happened.  the reset & power buttons didn't even do a thing...  lol.  so weird.

ill start checking things out tomorrow.  today was a boring day of watching scripts run while wondering if i wana play!
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: luv2luvlong on February 11, 2011, 01:49:43 PM
If your board is a gigabyte, you may have the heatsink problem i've been reading about. Fix is to pull heat sinks, redo thermal paste, maybe replace heatsink standoffs with shorter one's and replce heatsinks.

Thats on both nor and south bridges.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: OMGBurgers on March 21, 2011, 06:03:47 PM
froze up again for like 40 seconds, and this poped up

Windows - Display Driver Stopped Responding
The igzprd32 display driver has stopped working normally.  Save your work and reboot the system to restore full display functionally.  The next time you reboot the machine a dialog will be displayed giving you a chance to upload data about this failure to Microsoft.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: OMGBurgers on July 15, 2011, 04:09:50 PM
this is STILL happening...

can't figure it out.  it's happened about 20 times today which is insane.  I took out and reput in the motherboard.  Same with memory.  Tried different memory.  Removed everything but the primary harddrive so nothing else is running off the powersupply.  I unplugged, replugged everything, completely disassembled/reassembled the whole thing

any more ideas?  i'm about to trash this one.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: TrailMyx on July 15, 2011, 04:22:51 PM
Sounds like you should just think about trashing it.  That kinda gets in the way of authoring cool scripts!  ;)
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: gimlet on July 15, 2011, 04:23:24 PM
trash time!
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: TrailMyx on July 15, 2011, 04:29:38 PM
I'm LOVING my new system based on the Phenom 6 core and 16 GB!  My raid 0 drive setup screams!
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: OMGBurgers on July 15, 2011, 04:41:58 PM
I don't want to trash it cause it's only 6 months old lol.  I've got another cpu "running" on a phenom quad, but the asus motherboard friend once, and the replacement started showing the same symptoms of the previous...  so I very RARELY use it.

But this is one of the reasons I stopped playing games lately.  This POS computer.  I don't see what could be wrong with it in this hardware monitor I downloaded.  I was just literally watching all the values on temperatures/voltages when it froze up (after posting that once post), and not one value looked odd by any means. 

I'm switched to a different powersupply, and undid all connections/memory and reseated everything AGAIN.  I replaced my cord from the wall to computer, etc...
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: OMGBurgers on July 15, 2011, 05:05:14 PM
froze again.

I'm starting to think its a display driver issue.

Right before I finally got it to shut down it poped up with error (posted this previously) "The igzprd32 display driver has stopped working normally.  Save your work and reboot the system to restore full display functionally.  The next time you reboot the machine a dialog will be displayed giving you a chance to upload data about this failure to Microsoft.".

I'm pretty sure I have the correct display drivers.  But they make it so confusing.  I guess I'll redownload drivers and try again.
Title: Re: Why does my display randomly go CRAZY
Post by: OMGBurgers on July 15, 2011, 05:17:28 PM
okay I installed the chipset drivers, audio, usb, graphics, hd graphics and whatever other drivers i forgot to type.  I got the motherboard model straight off the motherboard, searched up every single download they had for that motherboard for windows xp, and installed all of the latests.  lets see what happens.