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Ultima Online Fan Board => General UO Chat => Topic started by: MAas on October 03, 2008, 09:16:05 AM
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greater dragons and trap boxes......well leave the trap boxes
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How hard are greater dragons to tame? Haven't gotten around to playing with them yet.
For me, they need to abolish insurance in Fel.
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They aren't too bad as long as someone is there peacing them. They pretty much and almost one hit kill u though , so without a peacer yo are meat! Taming level is higher to succeed too than reg dragons.. not sure what it is 107-112 ish.
trapped boxes are foolish in how u use one dart to make them and the dart lasts forever in them. Seriously!
Either way I have learned to adapt my strategies when fighting peeps with these items.
TM - I personally think insurance has spurred the economy of uo because now peeps want more hammers and kits to make items etc that they wouldn't desire for a trammy suit. It is true you sold a lot of gm plate and leather suits back in the day but crafting is worth more now. It has also encouraged peeps to do more duping than ever though. Lesser of two evils I guess.
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The NO insurance bit isn't about the economy, but rather about trying to bring the skill of the player back into the mix and diminishing the impact that all these uber-stupid-insane items without any fear of loosing. I always thought that blessing *one* item could be useful, but then you have to choose wisely the item you take that you won't loose. The rest is something that you will have to balance with skill.
For Fel, greater dragons should hit with the same intensity as normal ones.
As for the economy, that's been dead a long time ago. It's simply amazing how much gold is in there now. Here's a good example about how crazy it is:
Farming Arctic Ogre Lords by hand (compared to buying 80M gold on Pacific)
AOL: 50K/hr.
Farming 24hr/day, it would take 67 days to farm 80M. My point here is that's its going to be nearly impossible for the economy to get the kind of gold that's out there now without some other source such as duped checks. So no matter what insurance does, it's not taking enough gold out to counteract all of the false gold that's being added. I count scripted gold as truly added gold because you can't make that gold any faster as you could by doing it by hand. Scripts just don't get tired and need a nap... ;)
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Oh, C2, I think that abolishing Fel insurance would actually enhance the life of a crafter by creating more of a demand from people that have lost their gear, plus people would have to start keeping more than one suit around as a fall-back plan if a PvP encounter didn't go as planned. However, nothing should be added to the game until they can fix the duping situation. After that, then they need to address how hard it is to get the hammers/runics kits. If it's next to impossible to acquire something, people will always try to find another way to get it.
I dearly miss the days when PvP brought out the best PLAYER, not the best GEAR. There's no bragging rights for those that are artied-to-the-max (ATTM); they are just players with extra gold.
Nothing really changes in Tram, other than possibly making item insurance scale according to your stat total. I think 7xGM characters should pay more for their insurance regardless of the facet. I was on Alexandria yesterday and someone was bitching about 600gp/item being too high and was trying to have the admin adjust the value to 50gp/item. That's just stupid. Also I think that insurance should scale according to the inherent value of an item. IRL, try to get your Lincoln MKS insured for the same as a Yugo. My guess is that the insurance company would laugh so hard at you that they might evacuate their bowels. ehhe
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Great points! I was just thinking Plate suits by a regular old joe due to no insurance are worth so little in the economy that with this crazy amount of gold in game already only the expensive items that you can insure keep any sort of economy going at this point. I basically agree with all u said - just that with the current amounts of gold in game, making items for non insured fighting is almost worthless in the state of the economy and wouldn't help it one bit.
they really need to fix the dupes like u said and then maybe do somethign as drastic as saying we are deleting all the gold in game on this date or changing to a new currency in the next expansion. It would piss off a lot but reboot the economy somewhat until at least the next exploit.
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Yeh, unfortunately EA doesn't have the horsepower/manpower dedicated to the UO franchise at this point to be able to address the duping situation. I think you're right in that the duped items should be deleted; the monk's robes are a good example of that. But until you have a good way to prevent duping at the core, it doesn't really make much sense to delete items. The gold in-game is something you can't really do much about since it's really easy to create a new #FINDID for the checks.
And yet people still whine about scripting... It just proves just how out of touch people are with the basic issues plaguing the game these days.
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How hard are greater dragons to tame? Haven't gotten around to playing with them yet.
For me, they need to abolish insurance in Fel.
I love Greater Dragons and don't want to see them gone from the game. Hell my sampire packs way more punch than a Greater Dragon so I don't see what the fuss is all about.
I used Honor for just about every Greater Dragon I've tamed. It made it very easy. ;)
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Good point, was gonna say its no problem to tame them just honor first.
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Good point, was gonna say its no problem to tame them just honor first.
You see, that part just bugs me and shows how many things are broken about UO. For a creature so fearsome and powerful as a Greater Dragon to be subdued by simply Honoring it just is broken and wrong. To this day, I have never honored a creature before taming. My favorite white wyrm is the one that killed me 10 times during the taming process. Peace taming is a tactic, and makes it easy enough but you still have to be on your toes.
ultima, do you PvP with your Greater Dragon? I think they would be great for PvM, but I could see how they could be lame in the PvP arena.
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I just PvM with my Greater Dragon. At first I didn't like them because I though they were difficult to lug around as I was used to the mobility of the Cu Sidhes but Greaters are amazing in the right hands (Disco Tamer ). I used my Greater to do Peerless before I got a real good understanding of the sampire. PvM they're alot of fun. I'm retired from PvP. Maybe later on down the line I'll get back into it but right now I enjoy doing Peerless and messing around with scripts. Keeps me occupied. :P
I did one time on top of Empath Abbey get goated into a PvP fight by Poo from Sonoma on one of his Pk chars. He had an archer with mare/Beetle combo and I had Bas my Greater Dragon. This was when Greaters just arrived on the scene and I was curious as to how powerful they really were. I couldn't resist his offer. Plus when your standing there and have this dragon by your side with you and he's just egging you on to attack him it's hard to resist. What am I a wimp I got this Dragon with me he's goating me... What would you do? ;D
So I tossed Bas on him and he his mare/beetle on me. I barely surived the initial hits (2 Pets + Xbow bolt) thankgod for my Bloodwood Darkwood Suit (Serious HPR). Anyways he ended up running out the teleporter and escaping. I thought for sure Bas would have killed him and I was disappointed with the strength of Greater Dragons against other players. When I left via the teleporter he escaped from I went outside and saw a corpse of him lying on the ground. Eureka! Bas did me proud after all. I talked to Poo right after and he was pretty cool guy and we laughed about how he had gotten away but died because of the Dragon's Bleed attack. But it goes a reminder as how much is wrong with PvP in the game compared to what I was used to back in the day. Pets seem to be the norm in PvP whereas back in the day you were seriously frowned upon for brining onto the PvP battlefield.
Taming it solo with peacemaking is not an easy task. If my memory serves me correct (which it seldom does) they don't stay peaced very long. And they pack serious punch and firepower. They are no joke trying to tame by yourself without using trickery (honor yourself) but that makes it a challege and of course challenges are fun.
I lied earler. I did tame a Greater once after seriously beating it down with my Cu Sidhe and Discordance. They heal back up very fast. Precast invis and tame. Once you get the "You start to tame the creature" keep casting invis over and over so you break aggro. You have seconds before you end up as mince meat.
At full health without the help of other people or using honor it truly is a tall task. Get after it and them come and tell us about your adventures. ;D
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I think they need to just give greater dragons a damage reduction towards players. They're not too bad until they meele you for 30, bleed you when they do it, explode/fs you from 3 screens away... then just when you think all is well... just when you think you got away... you get hit for 50 damage breath attack 4 seconds later while having 60 fire resist cursed/corpsed LOL
I don't even bother fightning the people who play them, I walk/run away, get the dragon stuck on a house. They arn't worth my time to be honest.
Trapped boxes should stay imo. Especially with the way evil omen/paralyze works :P.
I do think there should be some of change to em. As much as I love scripting I won't use a script to pvp. And it's completely annoying fightning trashy dexers who run trapped box scripts to allow them to ignore all para/nerve strike/riding swipe/para blow. The only script I'd consider pvp related would be to deal with ninja stars maybe, cause they are a pita to setup/refill etc.
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Also item insurance needs to stay IMO.
It would be nice though if there was at LEAST one shard per time zone that didn't have item insurance. I know siege blah blah but siege is gay and I can say it because I have two completed characters there lol. Other players would play shards without item insurance though if they didn't have to deal with the ROT system and could actually gate/recall.
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TBH, I kind of like the greater dragons being in game. They bring a bit more of an "epic" quality to the battles. They really aren't that difficult to deal with and now groups fighting other groups have to adapt a little bit. I have yet to meet a pvp tamer in the field that I had trouble with in group situations; they are almost always easy kills especially when the dragon is focused on something else.
Now when you're talking one verse one with a tamer that's a different story and the G.Dragon tamer verse one other player is really a 3 v. 1 gank :p
Now this is coming from someone who has never owned a G.Dragon or even had a tamer with higher than 85 taming, lol.
XII
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Ok.. I will probally be kicked banned for this.
I hate tamers, I for 9 years have never ran a tamer. I think they are completely skill-less characters.
every tamer that I have seen there pet die, has no idea how to protect themselves or fight with pure magery or what ever other skill they have. as for Rezing pets.. I think that's Absolute BS. if their pet dies. its dead.
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I've never understood the animosity towards tamers except when they try bully a feeding ground but that really has more to do with the player than the pet. The Pet is just the extension of the player.
How much skill does it take to be an archer? You just sit there and putt putt with your bow of choice. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking archers I love my archer too as much as my tamer. It's just part of the UO experience.
I am a pet lover for sure especially the Cu Sidhes.... I still want BLAZE!
Knowing what your pet can and cannot do requires some knowledge/skill in the game. During the Vanguard Invasion I scored big with my pets whereas I saw others struggle with the mobs.
Anyways your not alone in your thoughts about tamers there seems to be a large sentiment amongst the UO playerbase that have a dislike for tamers. Me for the life of me I can't understand it.
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How much skill does it take to be an archer? You just sit there and putt putt with your bow of choice.
Well, for pvm that can be said about everything. For pvp it's usually a different story. Mages, dexers and archers all still need to 'cycle thier oponent to be able to kill them, unless who you're fightning is a plain moron haha. Dexers still need to cycle with bleed, mortal, poison.
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I'm not saying its easy to become a GM tamer or beyond that. I know there are a lot of People that have solo'd Boss's and mobs and what not. The game has always seemed to favor the tamer. usualy when you see a "Typical" group of people looking to enter a Peerless whats the first question most of them ask? How Many tamers do we have? I understand it makes fighting Easier, but just about every event tamers are usually walking away with all the goodies before the warrior or mage that's been running back and forth while the tamer stood back healing/rezing/curing his pet and other members (Hopefully). Normally I play my Pure Bard, and maybe people feel the same about my Character, while I try to Provoke to difficult monsters onto each other if I fail, its usually results in me either running for cover while the hostile is after me.. now its rare for a tamer to fail a Kill Command and the monster or Pet retaliates in the same manor.
I think the level of monster vs level of tamer and pet should work the same way.
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ok this is my first reply on this site and omg no insurance what a joke lol we all worked realy hard to cheat as best as we can to get the uber *bleep* to wear and you recon we shouldnt have it lol play free shard.run round in ya jocks and ask some one to do the same and just test ya skill in undies :)
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Skill left the game a long time ago after AOS. Those who have the best gear and tweaked their CheatEngine correctly are the ones who will win anymore. There are a diminishing few people who understand how the game was before AOS, so it's hard to describe the "feeling" of the game in those days. It's a shame the game turned into what it has, however it did open up the possibility for many other people to start playing. For starters, I could finally recommend my family to play with the introduction of the Renaissance expansion because I wouldn't have to worry about my Mom getting ganked by all the dudesters out there.
I can't describe what life was like without insurance to ya; you just have to live those days. In my opinion, I don't want to get rid of insurance, but I want to make it hurt ya if you loose your gimped gear in PvP. It doesn't make sense to do that with PvM, although with the ease at which gold is gotten these days I think the 600 gold/item charge is way too little.
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Skill left the game a long time ago after AOS. Those who have the best gear and tweaked their CheatEngine correctly are the ones who will win anymore. There are a diminishing few people who understand how the game was before AOS, so it's hard to describe the "feeling" of the game in those days. It's a shame the game turned into what it has, however it did open up the possibility for many other people to start playing. For starters, I could finally recommend my family to play with the introduction of the Renaissance expansion because I wouldn't have to worry about my Mom getting ganked by all the dudesters out there.
I can't describe what life was like without insurance to ya; you just have to live those days. In my opinion, I don't want to get rid of insurance, but I want to make it hurt ya if you loose your gimped gear in PvP. It doesn't make sense to do that with PvM, although with the ease at which gold is gotten these days I think the 600 gold/item charge is way too little.
The whole insurance this is quite new to me being and old returning player. I like the feature somewhat. but I think it should probably be unusable in Felucia. The Greater Dragons are another addition Ive noticed "Already had to tame a few of them being curious" They seem way overpowered to the old school dual dragon tamer like myself... Anyhow maybe I will come up with more suggestions as I play, only been back for about 1 month.
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I did one time on top of Empath Abbey get goated into a PvP fight by Poo from Sonoma on one of his Pk chars.
I fought against Poo quite a few times while with K-B. we did factions and a few other things (which is Poo's Domain). It was quite the fun at times.. He's been PvP'in with a pet for a while now.
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I love the idea of the greater dragon, but I still think there should be something special you need to do in order to maintain them. Gold lust, lust to kill, ignoring orders (general attitude). They should NOT just follow you around like a puppy...
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ooooo there's a real good thought, having to feed your dragon gold to keep it happy.
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ooooo there's a real good thought, having to feed your dragon gold to keep it happy.
And frankly, that goes completely with the mythos behind powerful dragons. It's a rare day to find a dragon in AD&D land *NOT* lounging on a gigantic pile of gold/gems/bones. :)
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they are like raccoons. If it is shiny they want it and will do everything in their power to have it. Include stick there hand in a can with nails in it, grab the shiny object and never let go even when it means they will die because they can't go anywhere with their hand stuck in the can.... lol
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I'll voice in on insurance. My thoughts at least.
I like it. It's nice to put together a great suit and items and not worry about loosing them when the server crashes and doesn't come back up for 10 minutes.
That said...
I think that all items should have a value. And insurance should be a set % of the value of the item.
I mean why should insurance for a 5/6/6/5/3 Tunic with NOTHING else be the same cost as an Orny?
Thats just stupid. The more an item costs, the more the insurance should be for it.
If people had to dish out 50k every time they die wearing an Orny, they might consider a change in gear.
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If people had to dish out 50k every time they die wearing an Orny, they might consider a change in gear.
FINALLY! Wisdom!
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Oh, and by the way Cerveza, awesome new avatar. Jane is the coolest good/bad guy.
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Oh, and by the way Cerveza, awesome new avatar. Jane is the coolest good/bad guy.
*Gao yang jong duh goo yang!
Spell Jayne's name wrong and you'll be gettin' a visit from Vera!
*Motherless goat of all motherless goats
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Spell Jayne's name wrong and you'll be gettin' a visit from Vera!
Ya, I was having a bad spelling day yesterday. I spelled Freddie Mercury's name with a "y". lol. That's where your "y" got off to.
Hopefully he won't give a "Garr Ram", cuz I don't want to be on the business-end of Vera.
*Motherless goat of all motherless goats
ROFL