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Ultima Online Fan Board => UO Reference Information => Topic started by: Paulonius on May 26, 2010, 10:39:26 AM
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I thought I would walk through some numbers to get a picture on what would be involved in making the perfect woodland armor pieces under the current system using imbue and enhance to acheive the most powerful item possible. If anyone has information that corrects any of my assumptions, or sees a problem with my math, please don't hesitate to provide correction. I would like this to be as accurate as possible:
I. Crafting: Start by crafting woodland gauntlets from REGULAR WOOD exceptional items with minimum resists in one or two categories that you plan to imbue. I do not want balance as it costs you resist point on the imbue. I prefer a piece as imbalanced as possible as imbue works up from the base resist for the item type and negates any points that were added from being exceptional and from arms lore. These are simply lost points unless they are in a resist you are not going to imbue. The points added by exceptional and arms lore do not count toward your overall imbue score or as one of your five properties.
II. PoF : use powder to raise the durability of your gauntlets. On average it will take two per item.
III. Imbue : You should be imbuing your increased resists, plus an additional 300 points of properties
IV. Enhance. For the sake of this example I am enhancing with heartwood.
Example: Woodland Guantlets Base Resists 5/3/2/3/2 (Base 15 Resist Points)
Random "EAL" Resist Points (20 Max)
Points available from Exceptional: 15 randomly distributed points
Points available from Arms Lore: 1 additional point per 20 points of arms lore for a total of 5 randomly distributed points
If you are crafting exceptional items with 100 Arms Lore, the items will have 35 resist points, 20 of these points randomly distributed. If you enhance a resist without regard to the random point distribution, you lose an average of 4 points per imbue. If you are adding one imbue of 15 points, an average imbue without regard to random points would add 15 points and lose 4, for a total of 46 resist points out of a possible 50. If you added two resist properties, which is what I generally shoot for, you would be adding 30 resist points and losing 8 for a total of 57 out of a possible 65 total resist points. It's really hard to get a piece with two minimum resists.
If you screen for two minimum resists prior to imbue, the rate of return on crafting for two minimum resists is one in 16,666. At 15 boards and 4 bark per piece this would mean 249,990 boards and 66,664 bark fragments if you could craft exceptional items 100% of the time. You can bring that up to 1 in 10,000 (150,000 boards and 40,000 bark) by giving up 2 points of overall resist, but you get the point. Unfortunately a GM carpenter only crafts exceptional woodland gauntlets at a rate of 35%. Assuming you have a decent talisman, you can increase this to 50% to 55%. It's really hard to preserve the points on your piece and you should count on giving up 3-4 total resist points prior to enhancing.
Enhancing:
Heartwood adds 2/3/2/7/2, so the new "base" for heartwood woodland gauntlets is 7/6/4/10/4, provided the enhance occurs after any imbue increases as imbue eliminates points that are added from special material. If we assume 2 lost EAL points, full strength imbue on Physical and Fire, and even distribution of the remaining 18 EAL points between the other three resists, the piece might look like this: 22/21/10/16/10 for a total of 79 total resist points.
According to Stratics the rate of success on the enhance based only on the resists as a percentage is 20 + Current Resist -1% if you are GM. The rate of succes on our example is approximately 15%, with the rate for failure that doesn't break the item adding an additional 10%. This means you would destroy the item on three out of four attempts to enhance. Based on the rate for the initial attempt and the rate at which items are destroyed, the overall rate of success is around 18%. This rate of return means that in general you should count on crafting five gauntlets to end up with one piece of armor.
Stratics has no information on the success/breakage rate based on the additional properties that can be added other than luck, durability and lower requirements.
Heartwood adds one of seven properties at random: Luck 40, Durability 50%, Lower Requirements 20%, Damage Increase 10%, Lower Weight 50%, Hit Chance Increase 5%, Mage Armor
Based on this information, the perfect set of gauntlets would require:
2,499,900 wooden boards
666,640 bark
10 Powder of Fortifying
100 Boura Pelts
100 Diamonds
100 Rubies
200 Magical Residue
75ish Heartwood
Multiply these numbers by seven if you are looking for a specific random Heartwood property.
Using this process this would be possible* in a set of woodland gauntlets (or some other variation):
5% HCI
8% LMC (110 intensity points)
+8 Stam (100 intensity points)
18% LRC (90 intensity points)
81 Total Resists
*And would cost a king's ransom in ingredients... ;)
If you are willing to give up six points off of the total and get a piece with 75 total resists by getting two resists within three of the minimum, then you will average making 1250 pieces to get one.
By way of comparison, you should only need to make 100 pieces to get one with a single resist at the minimum, which would leave you four more properties and 66 total resists. I am not sure its worth the extra resources.
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Nice! A bit of karma comes your way!
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Wow You got my curiosity up Paul now I am going to have to start checking this out some plus I have a round 2 - 3 mil boards on the home shard if they are still there :)
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I wrote a little script to screen for resists to play with the idea of getting minimum resist items and its not that tough to do. However, I have not finished that script and I handed it over to someone recently for further development. If I don't see it emerge on the boards soon I may go back to it myself. I got a sense of the staggering investment involved in making "the perfect" armor suit from playing with it and thought I would work out the details a bit more and share it with folks...
Thanks for the Karma TM!!
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A script would seem fairly simple, craft the regular item and check it's resists to see if it's "worthy" of proceeding. If so, drop it into a secure, if not - drop it in a trash barrel.
But what resists would you consider worthy of proceeding?
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@ Cerv - Any piece with a 4 in one resist is worth proceding (to me). I will take a 5 or 6 in anything except poison resist, though, since poison gives the +7 when enhancing.
@ everybody - you're crafting woodland armor, so use an axe to destroy it instead of trashing it. My trash barrel fills too quickly these days.
@ everybody - this is actually a lot tougher than you think, too. I don't know how the properties for heartwood are determined, but Murphy dictates that if you're trying for an exceptional 5% HCI piece, you'll get exceptional everything-but-that or non-exceptional 5% HCIs.
I burned a lot of heartwood doing this backward (crafted with special material). I think I had to turn out an average of 30 pieces to get an exceptional 5% HCI. DI seems to be the next rarest; anecdotally, I generated 3 DI pieces for every HCI piece.
EDIT: @Paul - fantastic thread!
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Nobama
Secure your trash barrel and that problem will go away. When it hits 125 objects automatically empties and weight is unlimited.
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Nobama
Secure your trash barrel and that problem will go away. When it hits 125 objects automatically empties and weight is unlimited.
ooooh....nice! Now, if only I had 125 dpare lockdowns...
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Nobama
Secure your trash barrel and that problem will go away. When it hits 125 objects automatically empties and weight is unlimited.
ooooh....nice! Now, if only I had 125 dpare lockdowns...
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I had that problem til I moved from my 18x18 to a keep. Unravel everything you don't need. Everything is replaceable with imbuing, except rares.... Speaking of, has anyone else noticed that items no longer have the faction tag next to the crafters name?
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My script will craft wood armor... think its still somewhere around this website... I need to update it and actually move it into the library. A very powerful script if you know how to use it.
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MWinc, I looked at yours and didn't understand it right away, so I dusted off my craft for resists script again, made a few modifications to set it up to make five each of five different leather armor pieces saving any with one minimum resist. Rather than the 1% yeild I was expecting, I got 5%, and I think I have three with two minimum resists.
It's equally likely I just don't understand probability problems, but I seem to have a hazy memory of something that suggests that switching the equation around so that I was selecting for any resist at minimum value rather than one resist adds the 1% probability for each together... where is a math teacher when I need one?
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To Be honest, I don't even understand my script. When I wrote it I was having it make pieces of armor with maximum resists. then I went wait...... and switched it around to minimum, then I added in minimums and maximums for resistances so exact pieces of armor could be crafted. Lol
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To Be honest, I don't even understand my script. When I wrote it I was having it make pieces of armor with maximum resists. then I went wait...... and switched it around to minimum, then I added in minimums and maximums for resistances so exact pieces of armor could be crafted. Lol
aaaaand now MY head hurts.
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I have mine running so that it pulls any peice with a minimum resist and it gets a hit on about 5% of items, so not bad at all. I made about 40 items with a minimum resist today and got three that had two minimum resists and quite a few that had one minimum and one that had one or two stray points.
I also put in code to pull pieces with 15 or more in any resist, which would require a bit more than half of the 20 random points landing on one resist. In over 1000 pieces crafted it didn't pull one of these.
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Paulonius Said:
I also put in code to pull pieces with 15 or more in any resist, which would require a bit more than half of the 20 random points landing on one resist. In over 1000 pieces crafted it didn't pull one of these.
So far as I know if your GM Armslore & the piece is Exceptional you get 20 points randomly distributed. The Maximum any one resist can have added to it appears to be 12 out of the 20 with the odds of that happening being 1/3000 or so.... I will also add that the higher the base resist is the LESS likely it appears to be to have the max of 12 (out of the 20) applied to that Resist. Leather armor has a 4% base fire resist for instance & the odds of crafting a 16% Fire resist are definately less than the 1/3000 I've seen for the other's... Crafting a piece with exceptional bonuses of at least 10 physical & 8 fire for instance is INSANELY difficult... over 100k pc's so far lol.... just a matter of time though.. (or so I keep telling myself)
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Alpha, where are you finding the hard stop at 12? I appreciate the statistical improbability, but wonder why you think its impossible?
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Well.... when I'm crafting leather armor to specification I input the resists the piece must have to be kept. 5 of the pc's I always include are are the base leather armor resists + 12 or more of the random 20 that gets added in any one resist. So for example....
14/4/3/3/3 (12/20 added to physical resist)
2/16/3/3/3 (12/20 fire etc..)
you get the idea... I include these pc's so I know how often 12 or more is added & in 600,000 pc's of crafted armor I haven't seen more than 12 added & neither have my guildmates though I have no idea how many pc's the've crafted.. (just that they've gone through 200k leather burning gloves etc.. a few times.....)
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Yeah, 12 is correct for the maximum resist increase.
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I don't know if I am fooling myself but it seems if you attempt to enhance but don't have enough boards and then restock and enhance again my personal sucess rate is much better.
I've been trying to make the perfect RP, HPR bloodwood suit and using this method I've had resonable sucess. The suit is finished but its just now tweaking every piece such that my physical is 59...easier said than done.
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Its not that hard ::)
(http://personal.inet.fi/cool/imagess/woodland.jpg)
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Blizer,
Those are nice pieces, but none of them match the template for what I wrote the article about. The point of the article was to examine what it would take to make woodland armor pieces that will have at least one resist enhanced so that each piece will have a minimum total resists of 66 or greater. To do so, you have to craft with regular wood, get at least one resist at minimum, imbue the item, and then enhance it. The pieces you have made didn't need to be enhanced and don't have any minimum resists -- sort of the whole point of the thread.
Without imbuing at least one resist, it makes it hard to get to all 70s. Certainly possible and those might fit perfectly with the rest of your suit, but I don't know. You are going to need 197 resist points on your other three armor pieces and jewelry on a human or gargoyle to max out, and 202 on an elf. If you are not putting resists on your jewelry, that is an average of 66 for the remaining pieces and can be tough if you are using any artifacts.
I have not gone back to revisit the original article as I am still working on gathering data, but everything I am seeing suggests that it is five times easier to get the pieces with minimum resists than I had originally thought. At some point I will go back and rework the original write-up to incorporate what I have learned since I wrote it.
FYI, on another concept mentioned a couple of times in this thread: I see weird results after running out of a resource and when switching between reimbue last, imbue last property, and imbue item. Pretty inconclusive and could just be random variance, but it seems to hit more often if I switch things up.
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Its not that hard ::)
*sputter*
Where's the negative karma button when you need it? Collectively, we've burned between 1-2 billion golds' worth of resources proving the point. I'm usually the soul of courtesy, but Paulonious was too nice...
*rant*
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Negative karma is there. Just "disagree" with the red heart. But then you'll have to deal with the Karma Police. ;)
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Negative karma is there. Just "disagree" with the red heart. But then you'll have to deal with the Karma Police. ;)
I am calm again. I took it out with that shout box post directed at Ultima. Now, I'm all kittens and ice cream.
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Its not that hard ::)
(http://personal.inet.fi/cool/imagess/woodland.jpg)
Adding heartwood to a piece with no resist is easier, I think, than it is to one with imbued resist.
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That is correct. The higher the intensity of a property, the more difficult it is to enhance it successfully.
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Nobama: add in a billion for me. Thanks to this thread, I have become one of the major imbuers / suit builders on my shard. Because of THAT, I have gotten to build about 10 of these suits ( about 80 successes total, some trash lower req's and mage pieces). For free!
I have found that the highest success chance with enhancing w/ heartwood comes from lower poison resists. You only need 14 per piece ( 6 pc suit) to reach 70. So 7 poison is a max for most of my uber suits. If working with artifacts, you can usually lower this. I have made all 70's suits with 12 poison per piece (5 starting).
Suits using heart of lion and fey leggings are a challenge. That combo requires much higher poison. Swap out fey legs for bane legs, and it is easier to build around.
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Resurrecting a fun thread haha :)
I have burned through about 25k bark and ended up with about 800 pieces of armor to work with in order to make a sampire suit.
I used Miffy's Item Finder to see if i could find any pieces where a resist was increased by 12 by the EAL distribution.
Found 1 piece: 6/15/3/5/6
Personally i look for pieces that have 5-9 phys + 3-7 pois + 1 (close to) minimum resist, anything else gets trashed.
If this had cold 2, then it'd be incredible :) But i'm already very happy with it, just hope the right mods stack on it & that it lives through enhancing.
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12/20 is tough to pull. Maybe every 2000 pieces from what I recall. Anytime I build a suit though I have an exact resist distribution that i look for and if a crafted piece exceeds what i need and survives the reforge or enhance then I usually adjust the next most difficult piece if the previous amount over can be used. Last time I did this though 8 do remember adjusting a beetle jacking script to specifically keep my backpack near full so that I couldn't receive wood from trees but only special resources. It was a huge increase in the amount of bark I other at the cost of no wood but I burned over 600k bark so it was worth it. Good luck.
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I always like to have a forged metal tool handy. It guarantees enhancement of an item, comes with 5 or 10 charges. I can usually find one in game for gold but sometimes have to spend out of pocket. I save them for OMFG pieces that I want to enhance but not lose.
https://www.origin.com/en-us/store/buy/ultima-online/pc-download/addon/forged-metal-tool-10-charges-100-enhancement-
https://www.origin.com/en-us/store/buy/ultima-online/pc-download/addon/forged-metal-tool-5-charges-100-enhancment-
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Yea... I told myself ages ago that I would never use $$ to but the tools so I always pick them up if I see them for a decent gold price. That does mean that I only use them when 5 he difficulty of the piece require a it... A 2000+ Sampire luck suit etc.
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But using forged metal tool for heartwood enhancements seems rather over the top. I'd probably only do this if it was a perfect base item :)
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This reminds me, i still own 50 uses of those forged metals on europe.
Back then people sold me Heartwood Armor and when using my own forged metal it was very cheap for me:)