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General => Off Topic => Topic started by: Masscre on July 20, 2012, 10:57:51 AM
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My prayers go out to all the families involved with the tragedy there in the aurora Colorado shooting. Things like this I do not understand or I have a stronger mind set and a better grasp on reality than some people. I hope and pray some good can come of this and we as a world can learn and be closer and more loving of our neighbors.
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I can't understand why people who are pissed off at the "World" have to take so many other innocent people out with them when they decide they no longer want to live. Hell, just do everyone a favor and kill yourself in peace. This guy in Aurora not only shot a bunch of people in cold blood, but he was prepared up the yin yang as well. He booby trapped his apartment, he was wearing a bullet-proof jacket, and he came armed with smoke grenades and fire starters. Oh my God! There is no rational explanation for someone who acts like this! Then they have to go show his smarmy smiling face on the news...
On top of all this, the News said that when they interviewed his Mother, she said, "Oh yes, you have the right person!" When I first turned on the news and ever since, I have been sick to my stomach...Tears go out to all those people's families and friends. Prayers will not be enough. Seems though after tragedies like this (911, Columbine, Waco, etc.), that People come together and become Human...Unfortunately, it comes at the cost of innicent lives...
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Horay! Something for the news to leech until the next big thing.
I wish I had time to rant this up, here's my quick notes:
Yes, it's a bad thing that happened.
WHY examine this guys entire life? In the following weeks we will know more about this guy then any of us would ever want to know. Media :P
You are an idiot if you take a 3 month old to the 12:30 AM showing of ANYTHING especially something LOUD with lots of EXPLOSIONS.
You are an idiot if you take your 6 year old child to a 12:30 AM showing of ANYTHING.
God Bless America.
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I love how they describe his "AR-15 assault rifle, which can hold upwards of 100 rounds" The Media is going to make this a mess, bigger then the theater. And all said and done, More people will think I'm a threat because I open carry. I digress. I sure am glad places like movie theaters are "Gun free zones" Give me a break. If you didn't get hasseled for using 2nd amendment rights in places like shopping malls, movie theaters, or parents, and teachers at schools, how many places would a psycho feel they could effectively carry out things like this? It's a shame that so many people died, and so many more were injured. I'm guessing a bunch of those injuries came from the mob of people all running for the exits. Reacting with a "save your self" gut instinct is almost as dangerous as the gunman.
I agree with Cerv, who takes kids to late night movies?
I'm curious to hear how he got his guns. It's a heck of a lot easier these days to get your hands on a nice rifle under the table then over the table.
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I love how they describe his "AR-15 assault rifle, which can hold upwards of 100 rounds" The Media is going to make this a mess, bigger then the theater. And all said and done, More people will think I'm a threat because I open carry. I digress. I sure am glad places like movie theaters are "Gun free zones" Give me a break. If you didn't get hasseled for using 2nd amendment rights in places like shopping malls, movie theaters, or parents, and teachers at schools, how many places would a psycho feel they could effectively carry out things like this? It's a shame that so many people died, and so many more were injured. I'm guessing a bunch of those injuries came from the mob of people all running for the exits. Reacting with a "save your self" gut instinct is almost as dangerous as the gunman.
I agree with Cerv, who takes kids to late night movies?
I'm curious to hear how he got his guns. It's a heck of a lot easier these days to get your hands on a nice rifle under the table then over the table.
The reports say that he purchased all 4 weapons at local stores and with in the last 3 months (Rifle, shotgun, and 2 40 caliber glocks)
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OK, Yeah I was reading the Yahoo updates, and hadn't seen that. Thanks for the updates. Well, then it was just a Semi-auto. Imagine if he had got his hands on a full-auto AR. Sheesh!
I wonder if he will ever feel remorse.......If I were in LE I think I'd have had a hard time not pulling the trigger on him when I found him.
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Also, remember the DC snipers? Those guys bought the guns from near my neck of the woods. (about 80 miles south of me) Hope the guy running the gun shops followed protocol for selling the guns and didn't "feel" in his gut this guy was ok to sell guns too.
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I doubt this topic will remain here much longer as we kind of have a "no politics" policy.
But before that happens....
If more people open carried, there would have been a lot less people killed in that theater... (pssst, gun control people, don't be scared of the gun I carry out in the open. Criminals hide their guns. If you see my holstered weapon you don't have to worry, I got yer back)
The media beast begins it's feed....
God Bless America.
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Thankfully Colorado re-instated the death penalty back in 1975. So hopefully some slimey 2-bit lawyer doesn't figure out an ingenious way to spring him just to fluff up their legal resume. Some people just don't deserve to live any longer.
Will be interesting to see what the motives may become. I never understand what drives some people to do things like this. If you're unhappy, just end it for yourself. Don't drag others into the darkness with you. 12 innocents died today that shouldn't have to be involved. Hundreds will be mentally and physically scarred for the rest of their lives. That part just sickens me. Society today creates individuals that have such an overinflated self image that they feel to make an impact they need to affect as many people around them as possible.
It's times like this that I miss carrying a pistol. Living in CA was hard to get used to not having it near me at all times.
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The state of Colorado hasn't murdered anyone since 1997. I'm not gonna get off a politcal tangent here, but if the state decides against capital punishment, dude will get his in prison.
I don't know why dude did what he did, and none of us will for the next few weeks. Regardless of his motives, he was wrong. People went to the theater for a good time, some ended up dead and many others hurt. Also, with the above posters, who brings their kids to a midnight showing? That seems like irresponsible parenting right there.
Cali has ridiculous gun laws. My stepdad had to wait 3 months after ordering his pistol to receive it. My brother, who is a prior corpsman, who certified with pistols in the navy, was denied the right to own a gun because of a crime he committed at age 14 in another state. Sometimes I miss living in Alaska where damn near everyone has a gun, and you don't need a permit to open/conceal carry.
Even if people had access to guns in the theater, dude entered through the emergency exit and threw smoke grenades and started firing. I think if people were shooting back, there would be more collateral damage and deaths than there were. All i've been hearing about this is stupid political messages. This is a tragedy, and it's easy to put a spin on it. Point is, it happened and now we need to figure out how to deal with it. Some say gun control, some say better access to mental health facilities, but I am not going to comment. I'll leave that for people who are actually in a position to make a difference.
I feel bad for the people murdered and wounded, and all families affected by this guy's choices. I guess all we can do is wait and see what we can do to help (if anything) .
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That's an interesting question though, freddy. Assume that instead of a theatre without any people packing guns, there might be 20% of the people able to defend themselves because they're also armed. If I was a gunman wanting to kill a bunch of people, I would definitely have to think differently knowing that I might die within 5 seconds instead of standing there unimpeded for over 2 minutes.
If people are intent on killing a bunch of people, they'll do it. If you know you're going to get shot by other people, but still have a need to kill, you'll just adjust your approach. A bomb perhaps? So controlling the guns really doesn't help when a nutjob decides they want to kill for the sake of voices in their head.
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Apparently the guy was wearing body armor. Kind of reminds me of that bank robbery in LA i think in 96. The 2 guys were wearing armor and hopped up on phenobarbital. Cops couldn't do any damage because all they had were pistols. If dude went in expecting to get shot at and was wearing body armor, pistols wouldn't be enough to stop him fast enough to prevent many of the deaths, unless they got a head shot. With all the chaos, the smoke, noise, and confusion, i really don't think carrying wouldn't have done too much. If i was in that theater, I wouldn't have ran, i would of hit the floor. But you know, it's easy to say what I would have done because I wasn't actually there. I can't even imagine how terrified those people must have been.
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Sure it would have made a difference. He was basically playing BF3 without a care. But even being threatened by the impact power of 9mm (or .45 ACP in my case), that's going to change your focus. At least it would have given the innocents time to get out of there instead of being hosed down. At the very least, it would put doubt in the mind of a gunman and possibly make them think twice about that approach.
I just put myself into that position in my mind. Take away all the guns, and the guy is still going to figure out a way to kill. They'll always be able to take it one step more.
People just need to look at their family and friends to see warning signs. Then people can't be afraid to reach out to others to help those that may need assistance before things turn out like this situation.
I'm pretty sure the gunman is wondering why he's still alive at this point. We are a compassionate and silly race.
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Without getting into the politics of it...
One thing that stood out to me when I saw the CNN report early in the morning was the headline. "Dark Knight" Movie massacre... or something alone those lines. I think Fox has a similar tagline.
They..the Media...can't just say there was a despicable event...a "massacre at a movie theatre.". They trump it up like it's a rollercoaster ride that everyone must see and listen to...
Who the eff cares what movie what bleepin' movie was playing. I don't mind them mentioning the title of the movie that was played within the story but the way headline is presented it's done in a fashion to drum up and garner even more attention... which obviously the event doesn't need. Everyone I met and talked to today was talking about it.
I'm no huge Batman fan or a stockholder in Paramount or whatever company made that movie but something about that headline rubs me the wrong way. To me those type of headlines are really poor taste and signify the degree of shamelessness which the media operates at.
The Media disgusts me almost as much as nutjob who perpetrated these unforgivable acts...may he burn in hell.
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The media today seems to try and put a political spin on news issues these days. I long for the days when news outlets report the news without any political spin. It's up to the masses to spin the news based on their own beliefs.
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First off, my heart goes out to all the victims.
Second, my immediate reactions were as follows (and apparently I feel pretty much the same as Cerv):
- Parents that took a 3-month old baby to a midnight premiere should also be in custody!
- Who lets a 6-yr old kid watch ANY of the new Batman movies?
- I am thoroughly disgusted with the way news media handles tragedies such as this. I think it should be policy to NEVER name a mass murderer. Let them rot in prison where no one will know their name and no one should see their face. Also, stop trying to blame tragedies on violent movies, video games, gun control, aliens, or any of the traditional scapegoats! Keep the politics out of it! Also, instead of interviewing "experts" on everything from movie theater security to homegrown terrorists to cooking (yes I'm being facetious just to make my point), how about we find out more details about the VICTIMS and try to celebrate THEIR lives instead of digging into the nitty gritty history of the killer and his family. I $hit you not, I read an article where they talked about how the killer's parents live in a 3-bedroom home that cost $398,000 according to a 2010 tax assessment. WHO THE HELL CARES?!?! It's a NEWS story, not a web crawl of Facebook, Trulia, and Foursquare!
- Apparently the police HQ is like 2 blocks away and they were able to arrive in 100 seconds (which is incredible!) and yet so much carnage had already been done
- These are the stories that make me wish I didn't live in a state (Maryland) with ridiculously tight gun-control laws!
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Without getting into the politics of it...
One thing that stood out to me when I saw the CNN report early in the morning was the headline. "Dark Knight" Movie massacre... or something alone those lines. I think Fox has a similar tagline.
They..the Media...can't just say there was a despicable event...a "massacre at a movie theatre.". They trump it up like it's a rollercoaster ride that everyone must see and listen to...
Who the eff cares what movie what bleepin' movie was playing. I don't mind them mentioning the title of the movie that was played within the story but the way headline is presented it's done in a fashion to drum up and garner even more attention... which obviously the event doesn't need. Everyone I met and talked to today was talking about it.
I'm no huge Batman fan or a stockholder in Paramount or whatever company made that movie but something about that headline rubs me the wrong way. To me those type of headlines are really poor taste and signify the degree of shamelessness which the media operates at.
The Media disgusts me almost as much as nutjob who perpetrated these unforgivable acts...may he burn in hell.
I agree with you 100%. I don't think the movie had anything to do with what happened. It was just a place where lots of people would congregate so this guy could do what he did. People that think the movie had anything to do with this tragedy are truly ignorant.
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.... Let them rot in prison where no one will know their name and no one should see their face.
My hope is they'll save a bit of money and just let them melt down with a bit of electricity. Easy peasy. Lethal injections works ok as well. An eye for an eye is probably the most basic example of justice in my opinion. I'm more of a "Head for an eye" kind of guy though.
Heh, it's funny. I'm instigating a thread that I'll probably have to lock. That's the magic of posting while drunk.
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.... Let them rot in prison where no one will know their name and no one should see their face.
My hope is they'll save a bit of money and just let them melt down with a bit of electricity. Easy peasy. Lethal injections works ok as well. An eye for an eye is probably the most basic example of justice in my opinion. I'm more of a "Head for an eye" kind of guy though.
Heh, it's funny. I'm instigating a thread that I'll probably have to lock. That's the magic of posting while drunk.
Please don't lock this thread. We all know speaking about politics on this site is not advised, but everyone has done a good job not doing that. We just need to vent, even if we weren't involved with what ha1ppened. What better place to talk about something like this than a site like this where most people are close? I think this thread is a good thing if everyone can avoid political topics
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No worries at the moment. People are being constructive so that when I have no problems. Like you, I want to vent especially when we're dealing with someone that does something that's beyond imaginable. I just don't understand this kind of thought. Planning to kill masses is just something I can't even comprehend, especially when those people are so innocent.
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Nice to speak out for a change lol.
Looks like we're pretty much on the same page here. The "outlet" for his actions could have been anything. I'll go out on a limb here and say that he probably wanted to make it a big deal. What bigger deal then some oversold super-event?
Now the media beast feeds on it... Take a second and think about this idiots parents. They did nothing wrong. They must be in terrible pain right now. Media all over them I bet. "Get the tents ready boys, time to destroy some more innocent people".
I don't care. I don't care about his childhood. I don't care about his education. I don't care about his web surfing habits. I just don't care. But you know who does care? They guy whose borderline already. He's sucking this up and making comparisons between his pathetic life and his new "hero's" life. Well done media, you keep setting the bar higher.
I would be completely happy not knowing ANYTHING about this idiot except a year from now when the trial is over and he's found guilty and sentenced to death. Everything else is media self serving vomit that the sheeples keep eating up.
God Bless America.
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Okay...it just turned political. :P
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So, JaF pretty much nailed it on the head for me too.
I was and am a gun man, but found other priorities for my money then purchasing a side-arm. Until there was a man in my back yard watching my kids get ready for school. I live in Blaine, a border town of WA state. Since that day, I have become armed, licensed for conceal carry, Joined the NRA and have a membership to the LGC where my oldest son and I go at least once a week. Monthly he (who is 11) and I have tactical discussions about defense and escape from the places we as a family, and as individuals go and frequent. In the long run I sleep better knowing my 1911 is a fingerprint scan away from me in the house, and by my side when ever I choose to carry. I agree, the end game of thinking out a crime and weighing the consequences would surely effect the outcome if more people used there right to carry. Thus making "did commit" to just angry thoughts, which then one would take the time to process more before acting. I fear for the gun control our country thinks it wants, and urge you all to educate yourself on the laws and rights that protect you. Damn that dude for his actions. A website I find good things at is www.opencarry.org
Cheers.
P.s. Anyone have a suggestion for a good "wife's pistol"? we are going shopping for one soon.
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Ultim added that as I was posting last. But I think it was political before a single word was typed. ;D
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P.s. Anyone have a suggestion for a good "wife's pistol"? we are going shopping for one soon.
Hammerless revolver. S&W is always a good choice. No worries about snagging in a pocket or purse. No worries about a misfire or stove pipe from a semi automatic. Just keep pulling the trigger until she hears 'click, click, click'.
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Okay...it just turned political. :P
Where?? No political agenda in what I posted.
Just trying to open the eyes of the sheep.
JaF
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Okay...it just turned political. :P
Where?? No political agenda in what I posted.
Just trying to open the eyes of the sheep.
JaF
There are 88.8 guns per 100 people in this country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
Congress can't strike down the 2nd amendment without 3/4 if the states ratifying a new constitutional amendment (which will never happen)
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I can not beleive that happened. I was blown away when I first found out about this. Horrible. :'(
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So, spin or o spin, I found an article related to this topic on Yahoo, surprisingly.
I enjoyed the read and found it not discouraging.
http://news.yahoo.com/calls-gun-control-stir-little-support-132319718.html
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There are 88.8 guns per 100 people in this country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
Congress can't strike down the 2nd amendment without 3/4 if the states ratifying a new constitutional amendment (which will never happen)
Hmm, by that estimate I solely own enough guns to account for about 200 people.
Congress doesn't have to strike down the 2nd amendment. They simply pass bills into law that violate it. Think it can't be done?? It already has... Was the Brady Bill Law ever constitutional? Is it constitutional for any state to REQUIRE anyone to have a special permit to exercise their 2nd amendment right?
JaF
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There are 88.8 guns per 100 people in this country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
Congress can't strike down the 2nd amendment without 3/4 if the states ratifying a new constitutional amendment (which will never happen)
Hmm, by that estimate I solely own enough guns to account for about 200 people.
Congress doesn't have to strike down the 2nd amendment. They simply pass bills into law that violate it. Think it can't be done?? It already has... Was the Brady Bill Law ever constitutional? Is it constitutional for any state to REQUIRE anyone to have a special permit to exercise their 2nd amendment right?
JaF
Any powers not specifically enumerated in the constitution are delegated to the states. If a state passes a law that violates the constitution, the supreme court can and will strike it down.
Brady Bill is not unconstitutional as it stands today; however, portions of the bill were deemed unconstitutional by the supreme court and were removed. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printz_v._United_States )
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For those here that know. Where do I start to get a permit to carry/Conceal? How long does it normally take and what kind of cost is involved? I live in the state of Georgia also incase this is pertinent.
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For those here that know. Where do I start to get a permit to carry/Conceal? How long does it normally take and what kind of cost is involved? I live in the state of Georgia also incase this is pertinent.
This should help (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=georgia+concealed+carry+permit)
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Horay! Something for the news to leech until the next big thing.
I wish I had time to rant this up, here's my quick notes:
Yes, it's a bad thing that happened.
WHY examine this guys entire life? In the following weeks we will know more about this guy then any of us would ever want to know. Media :P
You are an idiot if you take a 3 month old to the 12:30 AM showing of ANYTHING especially something LOUD with lots of EXPLOSIONS.
You are an idiot if you take your 6 year old child to a 12:30 AM showing of ANYTHING.
God Bless America.
^ Yep, sums up what I was thinking...
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The constitution, as it has been interpreted through our history, allows states and the federal government to pass laws that reasonably limit rights provided the curtailment is in pursuit of a legitimate government purpose and narrowly tailored to be the least restrictive alternative. Debate the constitutionality of Brady all you like, but I would encourage you to start that debate by reading both the constitution, the Brady Act, and the opinions ruling on it. Having done that, I would say: Yes, you absolutely can be required to get a permit to exercise a right guaranteed under the constitution.
I am a gun ownership proponent, have looked pretty carefully at the law and personally think that there is room for debate regarding the purpose and intent of the 2nd amendment. However, I am happy that the current state of the law gives me the right to own, conceal and carry. I lived in Chicago for a long time and am extremely happy that the Supreme Court struck the laws in DC and Chicago that essentially limited the right to bear arms to criminals. If even ten percent of people carried Holmes might have been pasted to the wall of the theatre after shooting a few people, but no way he shoots 70.
Despite this, I wouldn't mind seeing a requirement for four or five references before purchase. The whackos seem to never have friends and the people they do run into often recongize that they are unstable. What if we made them come up with five references from any adult who would say that they ought to be able to buy a gun -- and dropped those references into a database with some liability limitation for the people giving the reference? How many of the recent mass shooters would be able to get four or five references? Not Holmes, nor Cho. Seems like a reasonable way to achieve a legitimate purpuse that is narrowly tailored enough that I would be willing to put up with it.
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I think that is a really good start on some restrictions that would make it safer for our families to go outside Paul. thank you for your input.
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Any powers not specifically enumerated in the constitution are delegated to the states.
All too often, people forget the rest of that sentence and the last 4 words of the Bill of Rights:
"or to the people"
Meaning that technically, we have as much right to claim those rights as the states do!
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Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store
LINK (http://www.abc4.com/content/about_4/bios/story/conceal-and-carry-stabbing-salt-lake-city-smiths/NDNrL1gxeE2rsRhrWCM9dQ.cspx)
Stories like this happen all the time. But the only thing you ever hear about is UN-responsible people and firearms.
Media.... >:(
God Bless America.
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Good find Cerveza but myself I know this exists. Just the media does not care to portray anything that is good only that the world has become a very very bad place.
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It really saddens me that this happened and probably will happen again. My thourghts and smpathies got out to all involved.
As to gun control. My opinions are biased by my own upbringing. Having grown up in England, guns were non-existant, at that time no police carried them no security gaurds, no crooks. Times have changed overthier since i lived thier and now they have speacil police cars that do carry weapons but most police do not.
Given that background you can already tell that I am not in favour of a gun society. But that said the reality is thier are already so many guns in the America publics hand that it is idiotic to think that you could instantly disarm everyone and if you cannot remove existant weaponary you cannot deny new firearms.
So my stance is that in a perfect world I would prefer a gunless society, the reality being what it is I just hope that sensible and reasonable measures are taken to limit the sale to unsuitable recipents, that being a very difficult task..(paul idea a few posts back I thought was interseting).
I felt that JAF also made some interesting points.