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Casa de TrailMyx => Games & Game Systems => Xbox 360 => Topic started by: bodfather on December 09, 2013, 02:42:00 PM
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My mini me gamer boy fried his xbox 360. The game shop clown said the processor was fried and wanted to keep it to "dispose of it" for me but i'm wondering if there's any way possible to fix this?
I know somebody here knows all about this stuff and will tell me the truth.
Thanks!!
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It is done. The cost to replace would be the same cost to buy. 360s will get cheaper probably now that the Xbox One came out. How do you know the processor fried though? Is it a 3 ring of death?
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It is done. The cost to replace would be the same cost to buy. 360s will get cheaper probably now that the Xbox One came out. How do you know the processor fried though? Is it a 3 ring of death?
Yeah lol. It's the red ring of death. I was hoping for a cheap fix but the guy at the shop took it apart and confirmed the processor.
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if it is 3 rings. It is not the processor. If you get the E79 code it is the processor. What you need to do. Take apart the 360. unplug the fan. Run it until the 3 ring turns into 2 rings. Then put it back together and turn it on. It should now run and will give you a message about overheating.
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This is the Ghetto way, but should get it running again...
(Mind you I buy 360's by the pallet broken, fix and resell, last pallet was 80)
1. Turn it on.
2. Take a hair dryer, HIGH heat LOW SPEED.
3. Point it into the rear vents about 6" away from it, depending on strength of heat from blow dryer.
4. Keep an eye on the rear plastic and try not to melt it (Its easy to do when you get it real hot, and that is what you want to do here.)
5. After about 2-2.5 minutes place your palm on the top of the 360, make sure it got nice and hot in there, we want over 100c right around to 110c the melting point of the solder is like 126c. Dont worry you wont break it worse.
6. While the hair dryer is still running turn off the 360 and back on (Remember you want to be heating it up while its running not while its off). If it dont boot continue turning it off and back on until it does. That should reset the internal protection.
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WTF didnt post! Better this time!
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This is the Ghetto way, but should get it running again...
(Mind you I buy 360's by the pallet broken, fix and resell, last pallet was 80)
1. Turn it on.
2. Take a hair dryer, HIGH heat LOW SPEED.
3. Point it into the rear vents about 6" away from it, depending on strength of heat from blow dryer.
4. Keep an eye on the rear plastic and try not to melt it (Its easy to do when you get it real hot, and that is what you want to do here.)
5. After about 2-2.5 minutes place your palm on the top of the 360, make sure it got nice and hot in there, we want over 100c right around to 110c the melting point of the solder is like 126c. Dont worry you wont break it worse.
6. While the hair dryer is still running turn off the 360 and back on (Remember you want to be heating it up while its running not while its off). If it dont boot continue turning it off and back on until it does. That should reset the internal protection.
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WTF didnt post! Better this time!
Your way does work Coragin, but i have found it doesn't last as long for some reason. When i overheat it naturally it seems to re solder any parts that needed to go. The 3 ring prevents damage to the GPU when it overheats. So then you just need to overheat the processor which is the 2 ring. Once it 2 rings then you have reset the internal protection. The last one i did this on lasted 6 months before needing it done again. However each xbox is different.
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So is it the solder broken from the heat sink?
I read about that earlier and planned on trying the Xclamp fix kit before trashing it.
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If you do the xclamp fix, you have now just limited the amount of time your console is going to really run for. The best way is to try the overheat reset first. If you still get alot of problems after that you will have to do some changes. If it comes to that i can recommend the changes is for you and how to fix that. It is about a $15 fix buying the stuff for it.
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Ok ill try the overheat fix then.
Hey man thanks a TON! I'll let ya know how it does.
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So the xclamp is really just 4 screws? Lol. That's ingenious!
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So the xclamp is really just 4 screws? Lol. That's ingenious!
Yep. pretty much.
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Its cheap solder balls, non-leaded kind. They form hairs that touch adjacent solder balls (all under this CPU/GPU chip). This method should get you going.
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Interesting phenomenon..
http://nepp.nasa.gov/WHISKER/background/index.htm
But BGA soldering issues are pretty common, however they easy to manage with x-ray Q/C. Poor quality control is the real problem...
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bodfather were you able to get your xbox 360 running again?
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TM I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt (on fixing that is) I re-ball the chips, I got all the equipment to do it. And I replace the non-leaded with leaded solder balls and leaded based flux paste, never ever has a problem again.
X-Clamp is 4 screws and 8 washers for each heatsink, it is supposed to fix it so no more flexing from the xclamps, although I have seen them come back 100x worse because of it. Overtightening is the biggest issue, people forget you should only put enough tension on them to snug it. Too many people torque them down with the force of thor.
And yeah bodfather, howd it work?
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TM I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt (on fixing that is) I re-ball the chips, I got all the equipment to do it. And I replace the non-leaded with leaded solder balls and leaded based flux paste, never ever has a problem again.
X-Clamp is 4 screws and 8 washers for each heatsink, it is supposed to fix it so no more flexing from the xclamps, although I have seen them come back 100x worse because of it. Overtightening is the biggest issue, people forget you should only put enough tension on them to snug it. Too many people torque them down with the force of thor.
And yeah bodfather, howd it work?
Not picking it up from the shop until Friday evening. So should I overheat or xclamp to fix it?
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Overheat first. Xclamp if the overheat doesn't work.
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Just saw this thread, was wondering how it went?
Lead free solder, in my experience is garbage! Also, it suffers more from being reflowed multiple times, I would suggest finding a good non-corrosive flux to squirt under the BGA before the next tiem you have to reflow the chip, atleast to clean up the solder joinst some, and then just rinse with high percentage Iso-alcohol. And re doing the thermal compound can be helpful too.
Coragin, What equipment did you use to remove and re-attach the BGA?! Iv'e always wanted to be able to do re-balling at home, mostly for experiments, but have never taken the dive into that hobby.
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Just saw this thread, was wondering how it went?
Lead free solder, in my experience is garbage! Also, it suffers more from being reflowed multiple times, I would suggest finding a good non-corrosive flux to squirt under the BGA before the next tiem you have to reflow the chip, atleast to clean up the solder joinst some, and then just rinse with high percentage Iso-alcohol. And re doing the thermal compound can be helpful too.
Coragin, What equipment did you use to remove and re-attach the BGA?! Iv'e always wanted to be able to do re-balling at home, mostly for experiments, but have never taken the dive into that hobby.
Reballing for fun or exercise is costly. Off the top of my head...
Reball mainboard heater - $100
Reball hot air workstation - $200 (ish)
Reball templates - $50 (got the templates for 360/ps3 cpu/cpu)
Reball template and chip holder station - $50
Plus you need various other things that vary in price depending on where you get them and quality...
Board Temp Guage - $35
Flux Paste
Leaded Solder Balls
Various Sized brushes (I use horse hair paint brushes - for fluxing chips/board)
Solder gun
Heat Gun (in case the Reball dont melt all solder balls)
Obviously Thermal Paste, I use normal ceramic TP as the reball works perfect you dont need arctic silver.
I also have various lights and magnifying glasses as well as a led head lamp.
I must stress that getting into this for experiments is not recommended just from the price tag. Since I stopped doing this, all the equipment just sits there. I stopped due to ebay giving me a perma ban for selling jtags. Now any account I make that even tries to sell anything no matter what it is gets the ban hammer. It dont matter what account info I use as they track all info related to you, address, phone numbers, ip addresses...which would not be so bad except you NEED paypal. So they even track the info you have with paypal, which includes bank account, SSN, address, phone number, everything...
There is no way to get back to selling when paypal gives ebay all of your information including SSN. They say that they dont, but there is no other way to track other than SSN.
I used a business account, with a different address, in the business name not my own, different phone number, VM windows account, new email address connected to a .com I made myself in the business name. The only thing that linked me to all this new info was a SSN that paypal made me provide. Even my IP address had changed. So I figured out all that after much trial and error. I dont know what crime could be attached to paypal sharing your SSN with ebay, but I know for a fact that is why paypal requires a SSN for you to collect payments from ebay (and ebay only).
I could have sold through a website, but business crashed to a halt, so I just dropped it all. Still pisses me off as I am still getting emails from ebay saying my account is suspended and to get it back just pay them $200 in selling fees, which is a bunch of crap because my Fathers account got suspended with mine, he paid his fees and they just collected the cash and kept him suspended citing "His account is associated with mine due to the same address". So I refuse to pay them a red cent. I even called them and still do from time to time to bitch them out, then I say that I am recording our conversation and they promptly hang up.
Guess it is okay for them to record you, but if you record them they will hang up on you. Try it lol call ebay and when they answer before you say anything about account info or even your name, tell them you are recording the call. If they dont hang up they will tell you that you have to stop or they will end the call. It is quite funny. :)
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What is the issue with selling jtags on ebay now? I sold them in the past it has been 10 years back i believe but did not know it was agaist their TOS?
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Its against their tos to sell any modded console or modchip. They are total jerkoffs.
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The Jtag I messed with in the day were for emulating smart cards.