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Casa de TrailMyx => Hardware Design => Computer Rigs => Topic started by: Cerveza on April 13, 2010, 11:03:02 AM
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I can live with my Case, Power Supply, Drives (Hard Drives and CD/ROM).
What I'm really looking at is....
Motherboard
CPU (I'm a Athlon fan)
Cooling
RAM
Graphics Card
Right now I have this...
Motherboard - (Not sure, will put this in later)
CPU - AMD 3700+ San Diego (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=n82e16819103539)
Cooling - Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro (http://www.arctic-cooling.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_43&mID=133&language=en)
RAM - OCZ PC3200 - 2GB (http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/ocz_el_ddr_pc_3200_dual_channel_platinum)
Graphics Card - GeForce 6600GT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_6_Series)
I'd like to push the lower side of $500 and not exceed it. I want a quiet system, so heat pipe would be an advantage. I'm going to start looking at Graphics Cards to get a feel for what I can get for a decent price, then look at putting the rest together....
Inputs are welcomed.
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AMD Phenom II X4 940 3.0ghz Quad Core
Mainboard that can run DDR3 (AM2 Socket), Onboard ATI graphics, ATI sb 800 chipset. Gigabyte makes a nice one.
8GB DDR3 800 mhz +
ATI Radeon HD 5 or 6xxx series gpu.
You should be able to get all that for under $500, then get yourself either a nice 22"+ Wide LCD or a blur ray player.
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Lotto tickets. Then, just buy Dell and get a CEO discount!
:)
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Here's what I would buy: (In fact, I just hooked my brother-in-law up with this setup)
AMD Phenom II X4 945 Retail (w/ Fan): ($150)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4615717&CatId=4432
Corsair 4GB Dual-Channel DDR3: ($120)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3642209&CatId=4524
ASUS M4A79XTD Motherboard ($110)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5023028&CatId=4296
Now, for the graphics card, you have A LOT of leeway. You could finish off the last $120 of your budget quite easily, or save yourself a lot as well. I would recommend any of the following:
XFX Radeon HD5450 ($65):
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5692362&CatId=3669
ASUS GeForce GT240 ($83):
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5516904&CatId=3669
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what about this system for 400$
- AMD Athlon II X2 240 2.8GHz per CPU core
-2GB DDR2 800MHz RAM
-750GB SATA Hard Drive
-24x DVD-RW Burner
-ATI Radeon HD 4650 512MB Direct X 10.1+ Graphics
-Windows 7 Ultimate Operating System
A guy locally builds em with a one year warranty
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That's actually pretty decent Hoby!
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Whatever your chipset (ATI nvidia) make sure it matches your graphics card, makes a huge difference.
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Now, for the graphics card, you have A LOT of leeway. You could finish off the last $120 of your budget quite easily, or save yourself a lot as well. I would recommend any of the following:
XFX Radeon HD5450 ($65):
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5692362&CatId=3669
ASUS GeForce GT240 ($83):
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5516904&CatId=3669
A 5450 is a lower mid range card. For 40 bucks more you can go with an upper mid range card, little less ram on the card but a better performer:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5642514&Sku=A271-5670
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Good stuff guys, appreciate the comments. I'll start looking through the info today.
I wanted to keep my old drives so I'd have more to spend on the "core" system. I can upgrade drives individually later on.
I've always been a GeForce fan, so I'll probably stick with that for video.
Keep 'em coming! :)
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UOMaddogs recommendation gives you the most bang for the buck. The quad core and DDR3 memory will really enhance your gaming experience. You'll need Win7, though. I'm preferring it to XP these days.
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UOMaddogs recommendation gives you the most bang for the buck. The quad core and DDR3 memory will really enhance your gaming experience. You'll need Win7, though. I'm preferring it to XP these days.
That's if you're not buying it all piece by piece. Otherwise upgrade that card for 40 bucks.
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So far I'm liking UOMD's setup with the GeForce card. I like keeping the same company for MB and Video, always seem to have less problems that way.
The MB doesn't have on board video, which is nice to have for t-shooting the system if needed, but I suppose I can live without it.
I'm doing some comparison stuff now with those suggested.... How is the stock cooling? There are some nice heatpipe + fan setups for the AM3 that are under $40.
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I've never had a problem with stock cooling since I don't overclock and I generally have a good case. If you've got a crappy case or something with poor air flow, then you might want something extra.
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I personally have a gigantic Thermaltake MaxOrb to cool my Athlon XP 5000
I just set up my bro-in-law with a Phenom II X2 with a stock cooler.
His actually runs cooler than mine, both of us have similar cases with 2 x 80mm or 120mm fans. So don't doubt the quality of stock coolers. It's really not worth the extra money unless you find it running too hot. Give it a week or two and see how it does.
As for the graphics card, I personally prefer a card with DDR3 simply because a lot of DDR5 controllers can be glitchy. I'll skip over the whole Computer Engineering discussion behind it unless someone would like me to elaborate. I personally have a GeForce GT250 and GeForce 9600GSO. ATI tends to work well with AMD, but nVIDIA is just as decent.
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You can still do XP x64, I dual boot that for when I am encoding blu rays and doing stuff that is really process intensive (running 4 VM's), you cant beat the XP x64 speed capabilities. But for high end gaming, Win7 seems to be the way to go now.
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I've run Windows 7 64-bit with as little as 1GB of RAM and it works wonderfully. I dealt with the hassles of WinXP64 for 2 years and I would choose Win7 in a heartbeat for ANY task
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What did you ever decide on?? Overall cost??
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Never pulled the trigger, was going with the described system though....
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Here's what I would buy: (In fact, I just hooked my brother-in-law up with this setup)
AMD Phenom II X4 945 Retail (w/ Fan): ($150)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4615717&CatId=4432
Corsair 4GB Dual-Channel DDR3: ($120)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3642209&CatId=4524
ASUS M4A79XTD Motherboard ($110)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5023028&CatId=4296
Now, for the graphics card, you have A LOT of leeway. You could finish off the last $120 of your budget quite easily, or save yourself a lot as well. I would recommend any of the following:
XFX Radeon HD5450 ($65):
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5692362&CatId=3669
ASUS GeForce GT240 ($83):
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5516904&CatId=3669
is this still a decent build or is there better, newer pieces out there.
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it is still a decent economical build. There is always better builds but for the price that is a good decent build.
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I was actually just customizing a new system (but decided I didn't want to drop $500). Here's what I would recommend now:
PROCESSOR: $180
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT55TFBGRBOX:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851
Why: Top of the line 6-core processor for an amazing price (compared to i7's from Intel) not to mention, only 95W vs 125W for the 3.0Ghz version that is exactly the same otherwise! Also is a retail box so it includes the heatsink/fan (you could upgrade if you want, but no point if you're trying to keep the budget down, plus it's 30W lighter in the power department)
MOTHERBOARD: $103
ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131646
Why: First, USB3.0 (2 ports). Might as well get it if you're building a new PC now. 6Gb/s SATA ports (5 of them). HDMI, Digital-Optical, etc. are nice bonuses!
MEMORY: $120
CORSAIR XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A1333C9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145315
Why: 2x4GB gives you room to expand in the future. (Just buy 2 more sticks instead of having to replace all 4x2GB). Corsair XMS is extremely reliable. Lifetime warranty (very easy to deal with)
I'd have to do a little more research on Graphics Cards etc. for the rest of the build, but $403 for the main 3 components is pretty darn nice! I'd probably consider an ATI card simply because the motherboard has a built in 4250 graphics chip that you can do Hybrid SLI (might as well get something out of it, right?). Although, the nVIDIA GTX 4?0 series is not that expensive for a nearly top-of-the-line card! Maybe someone who has research recently could shine some light on the graphics cards! Power supplies/cases really don't change that much so just about anything decent will do (700+W modular power supply, any half-decent case)
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This is a *VERY* timely resurrection.
I may just go with the very setup UOMD mentioned above. I don't need a top line graphics card yet... I'm still using a 6600... I don't play many games on the PC anymore, just UO. But I'll probably want to get an ATI for this. I hate crossing platforms.... if the MB is ATI then that's the type of video card I want to have.
I like that the MB has graphics also, in case I want to dual monitor.
Maybe toss in a faster drive to take advantage of the SATA, I think mines the old slower SATA drive.
Read THIS REVIEW (http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-m4a88tdv-evousb3-review/21) of the MB and sounds very impressive. They say best bang for the buck.
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Looks like the processor is a 125W? You mentioned 95, but even the description shows 125....
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I need a new desktop, and i got some money coming in finally. System sounds good. Cerv mentioned dual client support. I am really interested in this, but never have done it before. Any other components needed?
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Hmm...you are correct. When I look at it now, it says 125W. I could swear I read it as 95W but maybe I was crossing two in my head.
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1055T - 2.8 GHz - 2MB L2 - 6MB L3 - 125w
1045T - 2.7 GHz - 2MB L2 - 6MB L3 - 95w
That might be what you were seeing. But they don't have the 1045T at Newegg. Looks like they are very hard to find and mostly in "pre fab" systems.
That's not a biggie, for the price I think you've chosen the most processing for the $$$ with the 1055T.
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Yea...I mean $20 difference if you want to go up to 3.0Ghz and run your electricity bill up just a wee bit more each month! LoL
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Well, I'm very seriously considering this as an upgrade to my system.
The CPU is impressive and I probably won't need additional cooling, I don't plan to overclock. The MB is VERY nice for the money. And the RAM is pretty slick for the price as well. I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on this setup.
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RAM prices are the only thing that annoy me. I bought 8GB of DDR2 800Mhz RAM 2 years ago for $35. Now I'd be paying 4 times as much for the same amount (albeit the newer RAM is DDR3 and 1066MHz)
P.S. I decided not to drop $500 on this build and just upgraded my processor for $75 (95W Phenom X4 9750). My current motherboard ( XFX nForce 750a (http://xfxforce.com/en-us/products/motherboards/7series/750a.aspx) ) only supports AM2+ processors up to 95W so I couldn't get the 125W Phenom X4's that are $20 cheaper, but oh well!
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Ya, don't cheap out on your RAM like I did. I had the opportunity to go DDR3 back when I put together my quad-core. I wish I had - it's worth the extra buck-a-lux.
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think im gonna buy all new stuff. the stuff listed plus a 1 tb hd, blu ray cd/dvd. dual monitors.
good stuff. windows 7 os.
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Let me know what monitors you get! (I have 3 beautiful Dell monitors!)
Also, I'd advise going with the Western Digital drives with 64MB caches: (Also 6.0 Gb/s SATA)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533
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Any updates? I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on this... SOON.
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Ok, got stuff in a public wish list on newegg....
Check it out HERE (https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=7194652)
*how do you share a public wishlist on newegg??
I'm over by $100, but I'm adding Win7...
I dropped from 8GB mem to 4GB mem which, with the other adjustments, allows a LiteScribe DVD burner and an ATI 5770 Video Card. I'll never do the CrossFire crap, I did that once and had nothing but problems, not worth it at all.
So... what do you think? Areas of improvement? I did consider a different Asus MB with the 4290 video instead of this ones 4250, but since I added a video card I figured the onboard video didn't matter any longer.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
$99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873
SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
$129.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145251
CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model TW3X4G1333C9A G
$49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106335
LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer Black SATA Model iHAS424-98 LightScribe Support
$25.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131646
ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
$119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103851
AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT55TFBGRBOX
$179.99
Total: $605.94
- $10.00 Mail in on MB
- $10.00 Mail in on RAM
- $15.00 Mail in on Video
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$570.94
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1. Graphics card - try looking around to see if you can find another graphics card around the same price range but preferably with a longer warranty (BFG normally has lifetime warranties as do a few others). Also, 256-bit memory on the graphics card is much nicer than 128-bit.
2. Ram - looks nice! decent price for what its going for nowadays. I have had no problems with my Corsair XMS RAM
3. Burner - Lightscribe is awesome! I love it! Lite-on always makes good drives
4. Motherboard - Excellent choice! I almost bought one myself. Here's one that seems identical and is $10 cheaper (The model is M4A88T-V instead of TD-V so maybe you can look up the difference): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131668
5. Processor - Can't be beat at this time! 6 cores for under $200! (Although AMD just announced their new APU's with grapics and everything combined onto one chip)
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I'm actually debating the graphics card. I can get by with on board graphics, I don't play any intensive games on my pc at all.... so if I do upgrade in the future, I could always add it in later.
I may swap out the graphics card and swap in that Western Digital 1TB Black drive.
Looks like that MB you listed doesn't support SATA 6G, few other things. South Bridge is different.
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Any of these MotherBoards coming with usb 3?
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131646
ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
$119.99
Yeah, USB 3.0 and SATA 6G.
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Yea if you're not playing any CoD or stuff like that, then just use onboard for now. Try going with a Velociraptor WD drive. I just got one for mine (640gb) and it's dirty fast!! 10k rpm instead of the measly 7200. Also, you can get much larger than an SSD for the same price
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Those are way pricey!
10,000 SATA 6.0, 300GB is $169.99!!
I'll stick with the 7200 SATA 6.0, 1TB for $89.99 for now....
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Sorry..I was thinking I paid $179 for my 500gb one, but it was $279!
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If you don't do much 3d gaming the 5770 is PLENTY fast enough for what you want. I'd get one with 1gig of ram on board if you can. If you think on board is ok for you, then by all means, but to get the latest bells and whistles, you can't go wrong with a 5770. Cheap, and pretty powerfull for the money.