Need HELP!! GG thrower Suit Decisions!!!!

[manwinc]

Okay, so I finally got my Breastplate of the Berserker.

Now, its time to build my throwers suit around this bad boy. In truth the only thing I need help with is making the decision between the Mace and Shield Glasses, and the Void Infused Kilt.


According to my ranking system, the mace and shield are worth about 517 Weight for a gargoyle, and the Void infused kilt is only worth a measly 290.

Here's my Pros and Cons Breakdown

Void Infused Kilt:

Pros:
10% Damage Eater <- Thats nice
45% Hit chance from my gear

Cons:
Loss of 3 Adds to Compensate For the Resists on the suit.
Loss of 5 Stats


Mace and Shield Glasses:

Pros:
30% Hit Lower Defense
5 Extra Stats
3 More Total Adds on the Rest of the gear


Cons:
40% HCI from my gear


I trust my ranking system VERY VERY Much when it comes to picking what artifacts are worth a crap, but in this instance I'm a little torn.

[Coolface]

M&S ofc damage eater isnt that good and HLD gives u more mods on wepons

[manwinc]

Yeah, I've Decided on the M&S

3 Extra adds = 15 Extra Hit Points Which in my opinion is Just as good as 10% Damage Eater.

[Coolface]

u could try to get giant steps (Stone Leggings) there too
5dex
5str
5hpi
hpr2
10 DI
and ok resist

[Coolface]

damage eater is just extra healing thing its not like swampys -10-12-20 kinda useless

[manwinc]

Can't use more than 2 artifacts. Breastplate of the berserker is mandatory, Guess I could look at the weight of the Giant Steps......


Giant Steps- 319
But, I don't Care for the Hit Point regen, So I'd actually rank them MUCH lower.

Mace and Shield Still win at 517

[MeWonUo]

As opposed to going back and forth in shout..

What are your focus mods, and desired resists?   Need to be vampire and wraith proof? 

Is this a Mystic, or Necro Thrower?

[manwinc]

Resists (in case I decide to go whammy)
70
75
70
70
70

End adds for the remaining 4 pieces of armor.

+30 Stamina
+32 Mana
MR 8
LMC 32
+10 Hit Point Increase

I know I have to Imbue 2 Resists onto the suit, doing 1 at 15, and the other at 4. Not the most ideal for the resists, Will probably wind up making me short change one of my adds later on, but I'm not too worried. Will probably just cost me 1 mana.

I've got my suit building down to an art.

[gimlet]

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[SolidSnake]

HLD on the M&S effects are broken when they are altered for Gargs...known issue and just a heads up.


Head: Mace & Shield, 25/10/10/10/10, 10 str, 5 dex, 30 hld (HLD not currently working - stats needed anyway)
Neck: Imbued Gargish Necklace, 3/6/14/6/9, 7 lmc, 4 hp, 8 stam, 8 mana
Torso: Breastplate Of The Berserker, 18/16/5/11/5, 15 di, 4 lmc, 10 ssi, 5 hp, 3 stam regen
Legs: Imbued Barbed Gargish Leather, 10/21/14/11/18, 8 lmc, 3 hp, 8 stam, 8 mana
Arms: Imbued Barbed Gargish Leather, 8/21/14/16/13, 7 lmc, 8 stam, 6 mana, night sight
Kilt: Imbued Barbed Gargish Leather, 10/21/13/16/20, 6 lmc, 8 stam, 8 mana
Talisman: Conjurerer's Trinket, 20 di, 10 hci, 1 str, 2 hpr
Wings: Ranger's Cloak Of Augmentation, 1 lmc, 5 ssi, 5 kinetic eater, 3 sdi
Ring: Imbued, 7 lmc, 15 hci, 8 str, 8 dex, 3 int
Brace: Imbued, 25 di, 15 hci, 8 str, 8 dex, 3 int
Robe: Shroud Of The Condemned, 5 int, 3 hp
Apron: Crimson Cincture, 5 dex, 10 hp, 2 hpr
Racial: 2 mr, 5 hci
 
74/95/70/70/75, 100 di, 40 lmc, 2 mr, 45 hci, 25 hp, 10 ssi

120 Throwing
120 Tactics
120 Bushido
120 Anatomy
100 Necro
70 SS
70 Chiv

or

120 Throwing
120 Tactics
120 Bushido
120 Anatomy
100 Healing
70 Chivalry
40 Necro
30 SS (+30 on jewels)

I made a few modifications for myself but this is an awesome suit and I personally use the healing / wraith form template. I also went for the 5ssi on the ring.  Use it for solo slasher killing, champ and whatever else.

[manwinc]

Hmmm.. I'm beginning to wonder if they changed those silly throwing rules without telling anyone. You know the ones where your damage increase goes down at too far away, and your hit chance increase goes down if your too close unless you have swordsmanship.

I troll stratics pretty often and actually the mace and shield glitch was fixed in one of the previous patches. Allegedly mind you.

Presently I run

120 Swords
120 Throwing
100 tact
100 anatomy
90 healing
120 bush
70 chiv

Suit is

Ring: 5 ssi / Int 8 / EP 25 / HCI 15 / DCI 15
Brace: HCI 15 / DCI 15 / EP 25 / LMC 8 / INT 3
Mace and Shield
Breastplate of the Berserker
Necklace: 5/17/7/8/8 / Stam 7 / Mana 8 / MR 2 / LMC 6
Arms: 7/12/14/17/12 / Stam 7 / Mana 7 / MR 2 / LMC 7
Legs:7/8/18/10/19 / Hit Point 3 / Stam 8 / Mana 8 / MR 2 / LMC 7
Kilt: 8/12/16/14/15 / Stamina 8 / Mana 8 / MR 2 / LMC 8
Conjurers Garb
Rangers Cloak of Augmentation
Tangle
Spell Focusing Sash
Conjuerers Trinket

[MeWonUo]

Okay, finally got a chance to sit back down for a bit here.  Sounds like your build is very similar to one that I like to use, only difference is I decided to go the spirit speak route for curse weapon healing.  Corpse Skin + Curse Heals + Wraith Mana Drain = Very pretty!  Secondly, you also have bushido and spirit speak healing at your disposal, as well as potions.  Plenty of survivability and healing options in my opinion.

120 Throwing
120 Tactics
120 Anatomy
120 Bushido
70 Chivalry
50 Necro
120 Spirit speak

(Can also go 100 Necro / 70 S.S. for Vampire form, but requires a different suit)

I do use 3 Faction items in the suit, which aren't absolutely needed, but definitely free up space to put more things into it.  Also, I put the suit together to be able to run with protection up.

Mace and Shield (Fx) The 10 DI isn't a must have, but frees up space on your weapons.
Breastplate of the Berserker - Plain Awesomeness
Necklace - 1/17/8/8/8 - 8 LMC, 8 MI, 8 SI, 1 MR(could be used for added resist if needed).
Arms - 14/11/18/13/23 - 8 LMC, 8 MI, 8 SI (Valorite Enhanced)
Legs - 14/13/12/14/16 - 8 LMC, 8 MI, 8 SI, 5 HPI (Agapite Enhanced)
Kilt - 17/8/17/15/14 - 8 LMC, 8 MI, 8 SI, 5 HPI (Val Enhanced)

Ring - 5 SSI, 15 HCI, 8 Str, 8 Dex, 8 Int
Bracelet - 25 DI, 15 HCI, 6 Str, 7 Dex, 6 Int

Crimson (Fx)
Primer (Fx)
Shroud of Condemned +5 Int
Detective Boots/talons +4 Int
Ltn Sash +5 Int (When I can find one..ugh)
Wings of Augmentation

Totals:
89 - 75 - 70 - 71 - 76
150 Dex (182 Stam)
150 Dex (150 Hp)
38 Intel (70 Mana)
40 HCI +5 Racial Bonus for 45 Total
37 LMC
100 DI
50 SSI (20 suit, 30 glaive)

You can push the LMC to 40 with a couple minor changes, but would lose 5 HCI in doing so.  I wasn't willing to do that.

This is one of my favorite characters to play.  Almost impossible to kill, and hits like a truck with soul glaives. 

[manwinc]

Just Kicked the crap out of navrey with my thrower, got 3 tangles in less than 5 hours...... Was weird, but good! Then Proceeded to test out a few spawns, Got raided at level 3 of an undead spawn and then again at a reptile spawn. Template was Kicking some major ass though. Just wasn't suited to take on 6 other pvpers. I then proceeded to attempt to take on the slasher, Who has been weakened with one of the previous patches. After my 3rd death(Slasher was Half Lifed), I decided to call in back up. With 1 Crosshealer I then stomped the slasher into the ground without further incident.

I thought about going the Spirit Speak Necro route for Curse weapon and wraith form. Only Issue is that I really Really Really Enjoy having the 300 Weapon cap so my specials don't eat my mana .

I Was thinking of a Cross Breed.

120 Throw
120 Bush
60 Swords (Enough to get the 300 cap, and to help Compensate the HCI loss at point blank)
20 Necro (Enough to go wraith form easily with a scroll)
120 Tactics
120 Anatomy
90 Healing
70 Chiv

120 Tact + 120 Anat = Maximized Damage

[MeWonUo]

Only drawback to your cross breed idea there is the lack of spirit speak.  With zero S.S. your curse weapons will last all of about "that" long.

I do like the idea about hitting the lower mana cost bonus.  Just not sure how to make it happen without lowering the SS that I have by half.  I just really really like 30+ second curse weapon and corpse skin spells.

Depending on what I'm fighting, mana is never a problem when I'm in wraith form.  I also like to keep mana leech on my weapons too.

[manwinc]

To be honest when I'm Doing Armor Ignores for 200+ Damage mana Isn't usually much of an issue without wraith form, but I've never really had much of an issue with just bandis and some Cure Pots. I'll Give 40/80 Necro/SS a whirl though.