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Ultima Online Fan Board => General UO Chat => Topic started by: NObama on February 03, 2013, 04:28:53 AM
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This is an emergency, people. If you haven't played with the new changes on test center...STOP EVERYTHING you are doing in UO right now.
1. Copy your favorite Sampire
2. Go fight some pretty modest spawn
3. Watch yourself die. And die. And die again.
Repeat for ANY melee character with high dexterity.
Now, repeat for ranged characters.
This change is going to destroy EVERY non-mage, non-tamer, non-bard template. You like soloing anything in this game? Forget it. You have an...ARMY...of characters? Won't matter anymore.
If you experience the same things I just did, please go to the below website and post up some feedback. I recommend you go to stratics, cut/paste some of the more detailed posts, and submit that.
http://uo.com/contact
I am not one to say the sky is falling. But, folks, it is. It is.
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What exactly did they change? That's sop insanely devastating to dexxers. The heavy buffs sounded okay for pvm. Weapon changes didn't seen huge. I'll copy an army over and see what all the fuss is about.
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I copied over and am seeing the same results on stamina and low damage because of lack of stamina or low damage because of the fact of very slow hits.
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Take those figures and add them in for a pvm MAGE or tamer mage or spawner which doesn't run but maybe 20dex.
If a rat hits you you're going to lose ALL your stam and be a sitting duck since you can't keep chugging refresh.
We need to get everyone on board on this even if they don't even play uo from here. If any of this goes through you'll never be able to solo anything. A guy on stratics said he had trouble killing mudpies with his sampire cause he couldn't keep his stamina up.
A stealth tamer will be the only viable template for playing.
-When i sent feedback in i recommended removing all the stamina changes and giving all armor mage armor with plate giving the best base resists to make all armor useful but nothing drastic. Cosmetic changes.
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Sent feedback. Ridiculous changes.
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What exactly did they change? That's sop insanely devastating to dexxers. The heavy buffs sounded okay for pvm. Weapon changes didn't seen huge. I'll copy an army over and see what all the fuss is about.
Thanks! I'm very much interested in what you find. Really, the biggest problem I see is the stamina loss they've implemented:
- Pretty much any hit takes you down 30 stamina
- Can't chug pots as often
- HUGE nerf for stamina leech on weapons
- Modest nerf to Divine Fury stam regen
This is the single biggest charlie foxtrot since AoS destroyed the armor/weapon system. I keep logging in to test on different characters, with different armor combos, and I still can't believe it.
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One of the team posted that's just "phase 1" of the changes too. Ughh.
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Finally, the changes that this game needed six years ago. Maybe now UO wont be so easy, the challenge alone might just be worth coming back for.
Granted there are a couple changes that are a little bit extreme. *shrugs*
You should all just break free from your mindless in and out never changing farming tasks that take so little effort to do anymore, and enjoy the challenge.
*bleep* changes, of course you wont be able to do things the EXACT SAME WAY as you used to. Figure something out. I already have multiple theory templates and suit changes in mind that I am having friends try out (Since I don't play anymore) with some success.
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I've been posting on stratics as much as I can. It's going to wreck every suit I have and nearly every shame item I've kept hoping to get use out of. I think the best we can hope for is limited change but we shall have to wait and see.
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The Best part about "phase 1" is that the BIGGEST problem is the UNDOCUMENTED drastic change to stamina damage. They didn't even bother saying "oh hey btw your going to take like 10x stamina damage now...." It really makes me wonder if they aren't going to pull the same multiplication on stamin regen rates or something... but yea huge screw up so far.
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I'll test it out a little it.
What's the easiest boss to get to to try to solo?
From what i"ve read on stratics, they tried to make unmedable armor give greater stamina defense, also causes ssi loss to attackers. Seems blacksmithing armor might make a come back.
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Just did a quick test run on Ricky. Lvl 1 and 2 was a walk in the part, was able to leech Stat. Lvl 3 hits and I eat the dust. 3 drakes and 2 Ophidians, loss 120 stam in the blink of an eyes. Seen like you loss 30 stam per hits and that go from spell damage as well. Seen like lot of trial suit on our future.
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Here is a helpful link for character copying if anyone has never used the character copy feature: http://uo2.stratics.com/miscellaneous/test-center/character-copy (http://uo2.stratics.com/miscellaneous/test-center/character-copy)
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Left feedback on the changes... Wonder if stamina regen on a suit is going to become valuable again. Might be worth looking into a little bit. But with the amount of stamina sampires are losing on spawns and such I dont think any amount of regen will be enough. This is not a well thought out change to the game.
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I think the pvp system will become a paralise pvp.
mages cast paralise, archer, war, use pblow, then stam of the oponent go down then he pot refresh, pblow again, and die due out of stam.
with the weapon changes, they break heavy x-bow players (like me) and make ai spammers (com bow) more stronger.
But will be fun an archer with a yumi (vel light) dshoting with the stamina changes, or a weaver with lot of pixies.
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Weavers just need one lucky spell from the four summons and it's game over. Total screw up with no real in game planning as far as I can tell.
It just seems that they don't play the game or play a different version than I load up.
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Yeah, I was going to say a 4/6 SW Fencer with 4 Pixies and a SSI Kryss would definitely be nasty
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Yeah, I was going to say a 4/6 SW Fencer with 4 Pixies and a SSI Kryss would definitely be nasty
or an archer with a new yumi or shortbow with vel + light
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This change has wrought fort the ire of even the uoforums folk. lol.
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or an archer with a new yumi or shortbow with vel + light
Oh man, I totally didn't even test moving shot + velocity + hit spell. That's going to drop you 90 stamina in a single shot!
This change has wrought fort the ire of even the uoforums folk. lol.
Ha! You know it is bad when UOForums gets riled. We only talk about cookies, events and decorating contests over there!
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or an archer with a new yumi or shortbow with vel + light
Oh man, I totally didn't even test moving shot + velocity + hit spell. That's going to drop you 90 stamina in a single shot!
This change has wrought fort the ire of even the uoforums folk. lol.
Ha! You know it is bad when UOForums gets riled. We only talk about cookies, events and decorating contests over there!
I'm thinking in Double shot from yumi, now yumi have 3.5s base speed, so is 2 hits + 2 vel + 2 light? it really will break any stamina.
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Well... just realize that what's currently on TC 1 (Pub 81) as far as stamina damage is CRAZY different from how it's been for years. I just did a little testing last night on a normal shard (pub 80) and unless it was a mace weapon I was taking at most 3 stamina damage & only really doing so when below 1/3 life & hit for 40+ damage. As it currently stands on TC 1 (Pub 81) your taking stamina damage of at least equal amount to raw hit point damage. I don't see this change going live as the stamina regen system wasn't designed for a 10x increase in stamina damage. I do think it likely that a mace fighter rocking Crushing blow (additional 10 stamina damage) will likely be a valid PvP temp when all this gets through testing & goes live though. I just really don't see it going live as it currently stands. I'm liking Wild Staves ability to STUN though... I for see some new Mage Stun temps or Tamer + CuSide + Orc Brute + Conflag pot Stun temps etc...
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Completely agree, I hate to see what it is going to do to my beloved thrower =( Just got some nice 10 SSI jewelry and all
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Necro macer. Pain spike + crushing blow.
There were a couple guys in my old guild that used to one shot people with a double shot yumi. It was so funny to watch back then.
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Maybe my sidelined bushi macer (not of the sampire variety) will make a comeback.
I need to brush up on my mechanics because I forget how sampire parry works with 2 handed weap vs. one handed weapon. I can imagine my bushi macer running around with a war hammer again.
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Completely agree, I hate to see what it is going to do to my beloved thrower =( Just got some nice 10 SSI jewelry and all
All the effort they spent revamping loot has gone out the door if this goes through.
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I think they should have just upped the base resist of non-medable armors. Maybe add med penalties to certain armors while giving them higher base resists yet, or adding some sort of dex/stamina penalty for that increased base resist. (i.e. Leather = medable, weakest resists; studded = no dex penalty, slight MR penalty but still medable, slightly higher resist; ring = no dex penality, non medable, slight mr penality, increased base resist..'fill in the gap'..Dragon Armor = 'Highest Base Resist Total, Not medable, low dex penality, high MR penalty; == Plate Armor = 'Highest Base Resist Total, Not Medable, High Dex Penality, low MR penality, High Dex Penalty')
Some sort of huge balancing scale of dex/MR penalty for a trade off in base resist. Makes all armor useful again... For higher base resist, for instance, I can spend less imbue weight on upping the resist to hit all 70s and put something like MR. In the end, you have more versatility and options without going all up in this mana phase and SSI debuf procs.
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I think they should have just upped the base resist of non-medable armors. Maybe add med penalties to certain armors while giving them higher base resists yet, or adding some sort of dex/stamina penalty for that increased base resist. (i.e. Leather = medable, weakest resists; studded = no dex penalty, slight MR penalty but still medable, slightly higher resist; ring = no dex penality, non medable, slight mr penality, increased base resist..'fill in the gap'..Dragon Armor = 'Highest Base Resist Total, Not medable, low dex penality, high MR penalty; == Plate Armor = 'Highest Base Resist Total, Not Medable, High Dex Penality, low MR penality, High Dex Penalty')
Some sort of huge balancing scale of dex/MR penalty for a trade off in base resist. Makes all armor useful again... For higher base resist, for instance, I can spend less imbue weight on upping the resist to hit all 70s and put something like MR. In the end, you have more versatility and options without going all up in this mana phase and SSI debuf procs.
You stop this logical thinking right now!!!
Haha in all seriousness this is exactly how it should go...
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I'm sort of a fan of adding the following to make up for non-med:
- +X% to total max resist, per piece. There are many situations where I'd love to have 80 resist in a particular element.
- Reduction in dexterity per piece
Heavy armor ought to give a chance to avoid crushing blow/stun/etc-type attacks. If I get bonked on the head wearing plate, I expect to be able to shrug it off a tad bit better than if I'm wearing a feathered frickin' hat, for example.
Instead of incremental changes, they just slopped that baby out with the bathwater.
Man, I hope they announce that they're turning this disaster offl.
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I'm sort of a fan of adding the following to make up for non-med:
- +X% to total max resist, per piece. There are many situations where I'd love to have 80 resist in a particular element.
- Reduction in dexterity per piece
Heavy armor ought to give a chance to avoid crushing blow/stun/etc-type attacks. If I get bonked on the head wearing plate, I expect to be able to shrug it off a tad bit better than if I'm wearing a feathered frickin' hat, for example.
Instead of incremental changes, they just slopped that baby out with the bathwater.
Man, I hope they announce that they're turning this disaster offl.
qft
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And perhaps some inherent DCI percentage, too...or even the ability to avoid/parry a weapon special strike. Unless anyone really thinks a wooden sword is going to land a nerve strike on someone encased in steal from head to toe...
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Worst Publish in years.
I'm getting tired of hearing these comments about wood vs. heavy armor/metals.
We have magical woods, magical runics, magical imbueing. I don't care what type of armor your wearing...this is a magical fantasy game.
If I have a legendary Blacksmith/Imbuer creating magical armor and weapons, the type of material should have no bearing imo.
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My magical plate armor should have higher resist than my magical leather armor. The magic power infused into those materials should have the same net affect so the final product should have some difference, IMO.
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It needs to be kept simple i.e have Metal add a property like damage eater, leather mage property, woodland (random HCI/DCI) etc.
If you have platemail having higher physical resist then it should have lower energy resist since it's a conductor of electricity right?
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The problem of expanding ideas like metal being a better conductor(which would be true) is where do you stop. The same should be said for everything save for poison as fire would roast you just as cold would freeze you more. Heck a poison cloud would be all the harder to get away from in a plate suit.
It's a fantasy game where we all get to run around killing dragons and people for fun, every time a new team comes on it's like they try to stamp thier own DNA on the game. Worst thing is the clear lack of game knowledge they seem to have, it should be a term of employment that you have to either play or have played which ever game you are working on.
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That's why I advocate keeping it simple...
The example of the Plate Armor being a conductor of electricity was to point out exactly what you stated, "Where does it stop?"
I'm for same resists for all armors with different types of material allowing the chance to add different properties. This way each type of material will have it's use. Having one type of armor add more resists than another is where it can get unbalancing. Magical leather should be just as sturdy as your magical plate or woodland armor.
This whole revamp was entirely unnecessary.
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Keep it Simple. Do away with Mage Armor/Non-Medable on All metal Armor.
Keep wood the way it is since it has Higher Resists + 2 HPR/ Other Mods to Compensate.
Don't Break the Game because someone wants to be wearing plate instead of leather on their warrior.
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Keep it Simple. Do away with Mage Armor/Non-Medable on All metal Armor.
Keep wood the way it is since it has Higher Resists + 2 HPR/ Other Mods to Compensate.
Don't Break the Game because someone wants to be wearing plate instead of leather on their warrior.
Yep..agreed. Simple.
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People on stratics had brought up the idea of a larger point/mod cap for plate and other unused armor, this would have done everything and then some. I would have strongly considered remaking a suit or two if I could have had 6 mod plate but as it stands I'm strongly considering throwing in the towel.
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Don't get me wrong, I'll adapt to whatever changes they make to this game, as I always have, but its just annoying to re-suit and change the Template of Large Teams.
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I half wonder if this is to generate more sales of forged metal...
In the dungeons of the EA/Mythic Brain Trust
*snaps fingers* Hey! New revenue stream idea everybody! What if we totally made EVERYONE'S suit useless tomorrow?
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I half wonder if this is to generate more sales of forged metal...
In the dungeons of the EA/Mythic Brain Trust
*snaps fingers* Hey! New revenue stream idea everybody! What if we totally made EVERYONE'S suit useless tomorrow?
Haha, I doubt it even occurs to them how long it takes to make suits, think through them, get supplies, burn kits and forged artifacts with about 2 mil a charge. Absolutely insane. I cannot keep up with all the changes from before...but I imagine test will be toned down on the next round.
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I'm sure the revenue stream is part of the conversation but I just don't think that they understand the depth of the change. If they brought out some fairly usefull booster I'd be buying it for three accounts as would other people but doing an end run smacks of poor judgement.
I can only hope that they at least provide some information with this change so we have a idea what to do to maximize the returns but, like reforging, I suspect this will not be the case.
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They would have to do a "Dupe" Nuke on all Items sold on the website if they really wanted to make any money....
Probably 100,000 Transfers sitting out there, and I know someone is playing with mythic tokens too....
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How on earth are people duping these days? Obviously, don't post it here, but man you'd think they could at least lock down *tokens*.
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All I have to say is if they where going to make such a large and incompassing publish they should have put alot more thought into it or even put out a poll. Do you want plate armor to have new value ingame? if so please explain how. They could have done a poll and gotten aton of ideas. Good and Bad. Select the top 5 and put them up to vote from the actual current player base and let us choose what we want by voting. I mean look they let us vote or not for our president and it seems to work for some of us. They put no thought into this and then actually worked on a publish and then throw it on TC and I mean it is worthless to me. It reminds me of making mud pies when I was a kid. You get a little dirt mix it with some water and you kind of keep adding one or the other to you get a mud pie shape and texture you like, but I was 7 then. These "monkeys with typewriters" are grown adults (supposedly) that are making money to do this and have no planning before hand just like me and my mud pies !! Off the soap box. I love the place (SUO). I Love UO even. Just make it a little easier on us. Do not screw up our second home and then expect us to clean it up for you. We might feel it is easier to just move into a differnt home rather than clean EA's up. Smile we made it another day and the good lord blesses us with that. ;D
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Ok, i read through the threads of hate on stratics and Bleak-Mythic posted today they're doing away with the stam changes to leather armor so that much will stay the same.
I'm not sure what wood armor does with the stam changes and i assume plate will still make pvp opponents lose swing speed.
Might not be such a bad publish after all.
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Ok, i read through the threads of hate on stratics and Bleak-Mythic posted today they're doing away with the stam changes to leather armor so that much will stay the same.
I'm not sure what wood armor does with the stam changes and i assume plate will still make pvp opponents lose swing speed.
Might not be such a bad publish after all.
Nice, this pub is going to go through a ton of adjustments before we even have any idea of what it will look like in its entirety. the only safe bet is that it will be interesting for sure. Glad they plan on addressing those nasty stam changes. sheesh, they were drastic.
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Well, this is something at least. Who wants to volunteer to test this?
I like the Armor Refinement concept. Anything that puts more value in T-maps is good for me!
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Now this is a set of changes I think I can get behind.
LOVE the fact that they are leaving my leafblade the way it was.
The built in lmc idea on armor is pretty nice, just hope they let it overcap in some way.
Refining......need more info, but sounds like it could be quite interesting.
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Well they were essentially driving the game off the cliff in terms of both PvP and PvM. No one asked for drastic changes like they were considering implementing. My thrower got nerfed which I'm not happy about but I can live with it.
The Devs really shouldn't tinker with systems that have been in place for such a long time. There is a reason people continue to subscribe and that's because they enjoy the game the way it is. I think it's better the Devs focus on adding new content rather than changing existing content.
We can move the threat level down to DefCon 4 for now.
Looks like total disaster has been avoided for the time being.
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I hate reading threads like this when I'm slowly finding time to log in again. I really don't want to remake suits.
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Heh...I was thinking in terms of the 80s classic War Games!
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Heh...I was thinking in terms of the 80s classic War Games!
Thats exactly what I was thinking... The Wopr!