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Ultima Online Fan Board => General UO Chat => Topic started by: Cerveza on June 01, 2009, 08:11:14 AM
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I have a Necro/Weaver/Mage in Doom and was thinking of linking him up to my Tamer to do some solo Doom runs.
Is it worth my time?
Every time I log in down there I'm alone with one or two Dark Fathers. It takes too long to take them down with just Earth Elementals, so I was thinking of sending my Tamer with 1400+ luck down there with a Greater Hiryu who is a BEAST (only 4 points off MAX resists, all 4 in energy).
I've had this Hiryu down there before, and with a dedicated healer, I know I can take out the DF.
So I'm thinking....
Tamer
- stands in bandage range and constantly cuts bones and bandages pet, with emphasis on cutting bones.
Support
- Keeps Gift of Renewal on the Pet
- Greater heal pet
- Lesser heal tamer (to cover wither damage)
- Cast Earth Elemental / All kill on DF
Then when the DF gets low enough, the Support char WoD's him.
This might take a while, but should be fairly easy. I'm wondering if Earthy's are really even necessary. More things hitting the DF will cause more bones tossed, right? Maybe not worth the damage increase.
I'm thinking maybe 30 minutes per DF? Is it even worth the effort these days?
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I would say yes on certain items. The ones that have a faction equivalent i cant even give away hardly but the ones that do not have a faction equivalent are still selling and with the coming of SA i am seeing more sales than ever before as of late. I am speaking of Doom artifact drops that is. I like your way of thining also cerveza. I have been doing it all alone with one guy down there but with 2 a backup guy this should make it well worth the work.
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I think it's definitely worth it even with the faction items as many PVM'rs will likely still be going after the Doom equivelent rather than risking the faction gank everywhere they go, especially on busy shards - especially when considering you have to keep up your faction rank in order to wear them.
I still see Orni's selling for 10-15+ million, AoF for 7-12, HoM for 5-10, etc etc. Plenty of reason to Doom IMO.
Plus you really can get some damn nice loot down there, especially with a luck suit.
XII
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Well, you two have me convinced it's worth my while to check it out.
I think the plan is completely doable.
Now, if I ONLY hit with the tamers pet, the tamer gets the loot based on his luck, correct? So no sharing at all?
It might be worth it to have my support char NOT use WOD on the DF when it gets low... so the tamer has 100% of the damage on him.
I think I'll try that first... just have the support char spam GH's on the pet, LH's on the tamer and GOR's on the pet. Then the tamer will just cut bones and bandage.
I would have both cutting bones, but I'm not sure if it would mess up the script. I could put in a simple little timer in the bone cutter so it wouldn't hang... I'll play with it.
I'm thinking two scripts... maybe a total of 20 lines of code :D , not bad for a decent arty chance.
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I don't believe the damage of the partied character will have any impact on the loot table based on the tamer's luck since the tamer will be doing the most damage it is his luck that will impact the loot table for everyone party'd. I wouldn't worry too much about not doing damage with the second character.
You may be best off having him focus on bones and healing/curing alone anyhow just to keep things nice and smooth. I would consider putting 120 music/disco/provoke on the support char personally, you can provoke 2 DF's onto each other for starters. Even if only one DF the Disco alone will make it worth the effort. Have him Disco then focus on GoR, Bones, etc.
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Yea i am with 12x^ on the disco this will make a big difference. Now with only 2 people in doom i doubt that you will to many extra df's to be able to provoke them on to each other but never know.
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My tamer has 120 music/disco, so I'll have the DF disco'd. I have 120 Provo stoned, but if I'm cutting bones I really shouldn't need it.
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Doom is an amazing place to make gold. Not in the artifacts themselves, but from the other randomly generated items from the bosses. Think about it, Doom gives players the ability to farm high end bosses back to back with no delay. They run the same loot tables as peerless, without as many items.
Just remember when aiming for max luck to consider the speed faction. I still need to get my characters the right weapons & macing trained, but when I do I estimate to be able to drop a dark father in about 2-3 minutes. Killing faster yields "more items" technically. With the way UO's luck actually works, it could be better to drop luck for faster killing speed. This has been argues in numerous games though, like Diablo2 for example w/ Magic Find.
But I don't look at doom for the artifacts, look at it for the items. Pull the rare set pieces (Assasin legs/gloves = ~15mil!). Get lucky on a jewel that could be worth 500k up to over 100mil. (I pulled a taming/magery/necro ring w/ 20lrc, skill points were low 40's total... Sold for a *bleep* pile).
That's the way I look at doom personally. Currently I'm hitting up mels. I can kill her in about 7 minutes solo! (Two accounts). When I get bored of her I'll switch to doom.
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OMG what kind of temp are you using down in doom solo? Whammy?
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I used to use a wammy & a discorder bot. Now I'm going to switch to two wammies. Only problem is I need another exiler & blackthorns kryss.
I use weapons as follows:
1st room: Mana/Stamina leech mace
2nd room: Mana/stamina leech mace
3rd room: blackthorns demon (consecrate)
4th room: winds edge
5th room: blackthorns demon (chain AI's)
darkfathers: exiler (hit dispel is nice for the reverants), frenzy whirlwind rocks (damn the 10 second delay)
The only reason I use blackthorns demon kryss is because of durability issues. If I used just exiler I had to leave too much to repair it, so I got the kryss to spread out damage on my weapons. Of course another exiler would be nice too, but I always was able to find the stupid kryss first.
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I saw a dude solo the DF with a greater dragon. Took a while, but all he did was heal. My tamer has Disco, so it should go faster. I have a decent Greater... so now I have to decide on Greater Dragon or Hiryu?
If you log out in Doom with a greater dragon, will it log back in with you down there?
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damn was he using the trick where you trap the DF in the corner so the spawn doesn't spawn more than 3-4 undead?
I have alot of FC and I can't keep my Dragon alive solo the whole time. I can keep him healed for a good portion until something targets me and I have to protect myself. and yes. if you log out your pet will log back in with you.
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Yep, he had his dragon in a spot thats 2 deep on the side. The bones that spawned just stood there not attacking anything. As long as you don't use area effect stuff, they just stand and watch.
How do you tank guys deal with the DF's Blood Oath?
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Remove Curse and not doing so much damage per swing so that you one-hit kill yourself?
XII
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I think that right there is the reason for using a Pet.
We're limited on HP's, and we can easily do enough damage to kill ourselves. If we limit our damage output, then we're taking longer to kill.
Pets have a huge HP reserve. They can do more damage and take the Oath without one hit killing themselves.
I know I've done this with a Sampire and a Whammy and had issues with both. I could get through it, but most times I'd die at least a couple of time, and every time there were many close calls. All due to Blood Oath only. I could deal with the mobs and actually liked having them around sometimes. The leech on a whirlwind is nice.
I know it can be done solo, cause I watched the dude last night. I'll get my greater dragon down there and rock it out.
I can even get away with my tamer only bone cutting. I won't need to bandage the dragon at all. The support char can heal the dragon through.
I donno if the guy had his dragon all the way against the wall... if he did, I'll have to figure out how he got it back there. The spot is a corner with 2 spaces blocked... looks like this
W W W W W
W 1 X O O
W 2 X O O
W O O O O
W O O O O
W O O O O
W = Wall
O = Open
X = Blocked
1 = Where I'd like my pet to be
2 = Where I think you can get your pet
I don't think you can get a pet into that back space there...
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This is out side on the sand area or inside near the spawn area of DF?
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It's at the entrance to room 2 I believe... not far from the DF spawn point.
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If its a small group of people who know what they are doing doom is great, luring the DF to the corner and keeping the bones cut. I got an Onry last night so it was worth it to me. I adverage bout 2 crap arti drops for every good one. I call good ones AOF, HOM, Orny, Spirit, Headress, vile ring, dancer leggings. I didn't die last night till they started pulling 2-3 dark fathers out at a time and letting all the spawn build up. I just left then.
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to get your pet back in the 1 position, you have to move your tamer to that spot, log out, and log back in. your dragon will pop right into position.. (Psst don't forget to tell him to stay :P )
if you can post a picture where the location is it sounds much better than the moongate exit that I've been using.
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I'll get one for you tonight. I saw the guys doing it and they would get in there and have the pet stay, then they would go around the corner and tell the pet to come. The pet would take the step into the corner then start that "twitching" when a pet can't get to you.
That's how they were moving it to the last spot.
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Hi,
this meight be a real dump doom noob question ...
but since I don't think it is really a good idea to go
in and out .. of Doom .. what are you doing with
a non mountable animal when you have to logout ?
Or did I miss a animal stable char ?
Thx
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Khameleon answered that
if you log out your pet will log back in with you.
They changed the mechanics of the game so if you log out, your pet doesn't just stand there waiting for you. It "logs out" with you.
I think I'm going to try my Hiryu there instead of the cookie cutter greater dragon.
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yes, the dragon logs out with you.. BUT when you log back in your dragon will be on the same tile as you! so you CAN get the dragon on the tile against the wall as you explained in your diagram.
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An Corp!
Couple Questions since I made my first visit to the Gauntlet yesterday.
Can the you Provoke two Dark Fathers onto one another?
Has anyone tried the success of a Rising Collussus on the Dark Father?
How many DF's do you have to kill to get a drop? How much time?
UOguide says you have the chance is 1 in 100?
If I bring two characters to Gauntlet do I want to Party or not?
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An Corp Post
Yes, 2 years and 2 months, perhaps a record?
Eh, guess some slack to the b-day boy....
You can not provoke a Dark Father, you can provoke stuff ONTO a Dark Father.
The chance to get items is based on how many you've killed. There's like a running total for all the room bosses and Dark Fathers. Eventually you will get an artifact.
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LOL! I searched Doom and this was the first thread that popped up!
What's two years anyways...time is racing like the wind.
What about template against DF? Does anyone have any experience in solo'ing DF on a Sampire.
I've killed two DF's but he managed to drop me once or twice each time.
I had Anatomy on....
What are people's thoughts? Would I be better served against the DF with Magic Resistance or Parry?
I'm thinking of trying one of two tactics...
1) Bring is my super sleuth Bard Mystic Stealth Weaver Provoker and tossing RC's on DF ..
2) Replace Magic Resistance/Parry with Anatomy and bring in an auxillary template to Discord DF and support healing via Bard Masteries.
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I thought you could Provoke DF's onto each other if they are Disco'd but I've never done it, only heard that you could. Either way, Disco makes life in the gauntlet that much nicer.
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DF's are 160 Barding difficulty so you have to disco prior to being able to attempt at that level of difficulty.
Some high end monsters are coded even at 160 "You cannot provoke that creature" so I was wondering if DF falls into that category...
I may give it a try. If you are able to provoke DF it's going to be easy street in the gauntlet.
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Even if you can't provoke them onto each other, there's a way to make them fight each other... or there was. I see no reason why it wouldn't work now.
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The old way was with the DF casting wither on the provoked stuff which would then trigger both to fight each other.
I've done them with my sampire in the past but she has always had resist.
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The old way was with the DF casting wither on the provoked stuff which would then trigger both to fight each other.
I've done them with my sampire in the past but she has always had resist.
Ah right, I remember that now. You could actually even do it with just provoking EV's onto them enough to get them to wither.
X
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An Corp Post
Yes, 2 years and 2 months, perhaps a record?
Eh, guess some slack to the b-day boy....
You can not provoke a Dark Father, you can provoke stuff ONTO a Dark Father.
The chance to get items is based on how many you've killed. There's like a running total for all the room bosses and Dark Fathers. Eventually you will get an artifact.
I use 2 Tamer with cusidhe, 120 Disco\Musi and Barding Mastery + Script. 1 Evening 6-10 Artifacts..
Depending on Participating Player
Solo i need about 30 minutes per Turn. So in 6 hours i doing 12 turns.. with 1 or 2 more thrower of friends we need about 5 minutes per turn so 12 turns per hour mean 72 hours. Enough to get some decent arts..
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I personally love seeing old threads re-opened. Shows that people are reading the content of the site deeply.
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Have the new bard powers made doom more worthwhile?
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What new bard powers are you referring to?
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The bard spells? Each bard discipline gets 2 spells related to the bard's ability.
They are extremely mana intensive.
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If you had a wammy and ran a bard in the back ground using the Peacemakeing spell(s) and as a healer plus discoing I'd say that would help tons. This is exactly how I do gorgul, solo and with limited death.
I run a modified version of Lame on my sampire/wammy and a healer on the bard to do the gorgul, easy as pie.
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I used to use a wammy & a discorder bot. Now I'm going to switch to two wammies. Only problem is I need another exiler & blackthorns kryss.
I use weapons as follows:
1st room: Mana/Stamina leech mace
2nd room: Mana/stamina leech mace
3rd room: blackthorns demon (consecrate)
4th room: winds edge
5th room: blackthorns demon (chain AI's)
darkfathers: exiler (hit dispel is nice for the reverants), frenzy whirlwind rocks (damn the 10 second delay)
The only reason I use blackthorns demon kryss is because of durability issues. If I used just exiler I had to leave too much to repair it, so I got the kryss to spread out damage on my weapons. Of course another exiler would be nice too, but I always was able to find the stupid kryss first.
OMG,
Do you still use your whammy here and is there a public script for your Bard Bot?
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I would personaly prefer 1-2 Tamer using as Tank with Veterinary, Barding (1 need Disco) and Magery. Its very Simple to do Gauntlet with 2 Tamers, when using 1 or 2 Archer,too as Supporter you can do this nonstop:-)
Sampires and Whammys are not bad,too but when it comes to multiple accouting it could be a pain to control 2 or 3 chars in once.i know someone who used a script to control 2 Whammys with Discorance in past. They only kept alive via Crosshealing and Melee damaging. But how it would work on Osi.. who knows..
A Script to full Automate Doom or processes there exist on a few Boards.. butall are crappy buggy or never were finished.
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I solo the gauntlet with my Tamer, no discord, and I have a healing script to heal my dragon it takes about 30 minutes for me to do it alone, about 15 minutes when my bard buddy shows up... then it takes me about 20 minutes to finish the rest of the gauntlet...
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What do you do about the bones?
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What do you do about the bones?
When using a Sampire with Whirlwind, they can be good sources for lifepoints, else i would prefer a speedy bonecutter;)
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What do you do about the bones?
the way I fight him there are no bones... I never cast at the dark father so he never throws any bones at me... as far as other spawn... he only spawns 2 - 3 monsters which can not reach my dragon since the father is blocking the path to my dragon so they never die.
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What do you do about the bones?
the way I fight him there are no bones... I never cast at the dark father so he never throws any bones at me... as far as other spawn... he only spawns 2 - 3 monsters which can not reach my dragon since the father is blocking the path to my dragon so they never die.
Care to post a screenshot of what you mean? Are you using the gate area to kill DF?
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I haven't done doom in years...but can you still fight the DF behind the gate?
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yes, but there is a much better spot now.. only 2 - 3 tiles of room for the df to spawn baddies... and if those tiles are tied up then he won't spawn anything until those tiles are free :)
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yes, but there is a much better spot now.. only 2 - 3 tiles of room for the df to spawn baddies... and if those tiles are tied up then he won't spawn anything until those tiles are free :)
Pics, if you don't mind sharing!
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That is cool! :o
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I'll try to remember the next time I'm down there... its basically across the secrete entrance to the store....
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Gotcha. Thanks!