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Computer Rigs / Re: Running list of motherboards I've built with over the years
« Last post by Crisis on April 04, 2017, 12:19:33 PM »
My first was an apple II knockoff which was cool. I then got a 386 which blew my mind until I upgraded to a 486. AOL was the bomb and I remember waiting up to 10 minutes to upload a scanned picture. My hard drive with the 386 was a 512mb HD which was filling up. I went to circuit city (I think) and bought a 2gb HD. I will never forget asking the salesman what he thought about the 2gb and he said man you will never ever fill that up. I don't think it was even 6 months before I was upgrading again. That stupid 2gb HD was $300!
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Computer Rigs / Re: Running list of motherboards I've built with over the years
« Last post by TrailMyx on April 04, 2017, 08:12:36 AM »
Quote from: gimlet on April 04, 2017, 06:37:55 AM
I loved computer shopper!

My first was a 286-12 MHz with 640k of Ram!

and a

10 mega hard drive I thought I would never fill up!

I loved the fact that nearly an entire tree was killed to produce one!  But I looked forward to that being published every month.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Shopper_(US_magazine)
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Computer Rigs / Re: My new Ryzen build
« Last post by TrailMyx on April 04, 2017, 08:10:17 AM »
Oh yes, I was just hoping.  :)  I have gotten lucky in the past.  I already have a nice pair of G.Skill Ripjaw on the way.  That seems to be a RAM people have had luck with on this build.  I'll have this single trusty stick to fall back on if the world comes to an end.  hehe

I'm just in tweaking phase now.  I don't like this CPU fan I bought.  When they say "silent" in the title, I'd like it to be a bit more quite than this thing is.  Right now there aren't alot of CPU fans that fit the AM4 socket unfortunately.  Hopefully that'll be remedied in the next couple months.
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Computer Rigs / Re: Running list of motherboards I've built with over the years
« Last post by gimlet on April 04, 2017, 06:37:55 AM »
I loved computer shopper!

My first was a 286-12 MHz with 640k of Ram!

and a

10 mega hard drive I thought I would never fill up!

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Computer Rigs / Re: My new Ryzen build
« Last post by BobOzarius on April 04, 2017, 06:18:39 AM »
I know you know you shouldn't ever use multiple ram sticks that didn't come from the exact same production lot. Right?  That's ram 101!
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Computer Rigs / Re: Running list of motherboards I've built with over the years
« Last post by TrailMyx on April 03, 2017, 08:47:58 PM »
Updated my spreadsheet.  Went through all the manuals I have and the total is 40.  There's probably a couple that I've just forgotten about and didn't keep the manual (like my first build).  That one was interesting.  That was actually 3 systems (2 for my friends, 1 for myself)  Each one was a full tower 386-40 and each cost around $2000.  I jumped into the fire at the very beginning.  There were cooling issues on that motherboard; we had to fashion a heat sink for the chipset chip because it was overheating.

Attached is the notes I took back in 1991 when I was shopping for all the parts in The Computer Shopper. (back before you could use the web to research)
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Computer Rigs / Re: My new Ryzen build
« Last post by TrailMyx on April 03, 2017, 07:25:43 PM »
Fun new twist on this build....  Since I only bought one SIMM to test this speed, I bought an exact model number of the SIMM to match the one I previously got so I can have 2-8GB SIMMs.  However, the one I got would not allow the system to POST.  So this is probably the most touchy RAM-sensitive build I've ever put together. 

So I'll sent this SIMM back to Amazon and wait for the replacement to arrive.  Jeez beez.
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Computer Rigs / Re: My new Ryzen build
« Last post by BobOzarius on April 03, 2017, 03:33:56 PM »
By the way, the 1070 might be nice, but the Sapphire RX470/480 8 gig... is super nice also. For a lot cheaper.
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Computer Rigs / Re: My new Ryzen build
« Last post by BobOzarius on April 03, 2017, 03:30:51 PM »
I don't know about the newer chips, but on the stuff one step below yours, 2 sticks is DEFINITELY better than 4. 4 was a nightmare to get stable. And I ended up either burning 2 sticks up or damaging 2 slots by upping the voltage to those sticks after some time. Or both. Luckily the board has worked like a champ for a long time with just 2 sticks for 16 gigs and I haven't had to replace/upgrade it yet. Soon though.

Quote from: TrailMyx on April 03, 2017, 08:38:54 AM
Quote from: BobOzarius on April 03, 2017, 07:55:04 AM
TM, every AMD build I've ever done seems to have a bit of issues with the memory controller and large amounts of ram. I've always had to use ram that's a bit less than the highest available rated when doing a 16 or greater gig build because it puts a lot of stress on the memory controller. I either run the ram at a lower rated speed, or you have to up the power to the ram to get a stable build. I think it's because the memory controller is built into the chips right? I forget, it's been a long time since I've built a system. Mine is super stable finally but I always have to sacrifice a bit in the memory department to be 100% stable. Hopefully the memory controller issues have been worked out with the new chips and memory.

Yes, you're exactly right.  And with the Ryzen, it's extra touchy since it's so new.  Sounds like relief is coming, but it's going to be up to the memory manufacturers to "tweak" their stuff a little bit to make the faster memory more widely useful.  I've read about people who have gotten 2400MHz memory to work, but nothing faster so far.  Also I've read about more success by using only 2 SIMMs vs. 4.  I'm OK for now; the ValueSelect Corsair 2133MHz stuff is good enough for now and the system performance is WAAAY better than my last gaming build from circa 2011.  :)

I generally don't push the performance envelope.  I might build alot of systems, but I generally don't overclock.  I've only done 1 SLI build in my life and that turned into a PITA.
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Computer Rigs / Re: Running list of motherboards I've built with over the years
« Last post by BobOzarius on April 03, 2017, 03:23:42 PM »
You should see the Vulkan drivers go. I have no idea how support is working for Linux, because I'm not interested, but the new Vulkan drivers... omg. The load balancing on a multi core cpu is amazing.

Quote from: TrailMyx on April 03, 2017, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: BobOzarius on April 03, 2017, 07:48:37 AM
Now if only you'd stop buying Nvidia video cards...  ;)  The newer AMD cards are catching up in performance fairly quickly.

I'm a big Linux user.  So ATI/AMD drivers for that have always been a trainwreck IMHO.  After a few experiences with Linux support and ATI, I decided that they'd never get any more of my hard-earned money.  ;)
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